On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 22:28 -0500, Brendan Long wrote: > If you don't like what GNOME is doing, don't use it. :p Please read my mails more carefully. I do like what many GNOME apps are doing. I already switched to Xfce, but from time to time I'll test GNOME3 and even if there might be no need for GDM, I like to use some GNOME apps with Xfce. At the moment e.g. I'm using leafpad, but for some reasons I might switch to gedit. Of cause, I won't use nautilus for Xfce. But a login manager and two parallel installed DEs shouldn't break the other DE. I don't care who is to blame, GNOME or package builders, but it should be possible to install Xfce and GNOME without breaking Xfce for DAW usage, but PA does break DAW usage, just because something (PA) gets installed that isn't needed, it's even not needed for GNOME itself, just for some consumer audio usage it might be an advantage for a special consumer group. - Ralf