Piyush P Kurur wrote:
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 01:54:10AM +0530, Raghavendra Prabhu wrote:
One thing I don't understand here is - why people crib that package B should
not have feature X. If you don't want that, ABS is for that. There are
plenty of packages which have additional dependencies like that mplayer(like
smbclient) or vlc(hal :) or lua).
I don't think it is about not having a feature X. For example
I think PnP is a worthwhile feature to have. But many do not like
hal/dbus. Again the counter argument is that disabling hal/dbus is
just an additional line in xorg.conf. Point well taken but if we can
compile xorg-server package without hal/dbus enabled and then
whomsoever wants to use hal/dbus make a small change in xorg.conf to
facilitate it (I dont know whether this is possible) I would prefer
such an xorg-server. Again it is purely my preference. Such an
xorg-server, I think will be both ``minimalist'' and ``featurefull''
whatever those terms mean.
I blame this one on the upstream. Leaving X dead with default config and
no dbus started is one of the worst solutions they could have come up
with. Similar, my main argument against dbus is based on the fact that
software will fail when configured but not run with dbus.
"i dont want my software crashing because it requires a defect user
space dameon for features i dont want anyway"
is signifcantly different to:
"i dont like feature X is wasting 2kb ram"
But this is a free world and people are free to ignore the difference.
Finally, true anti-desktop is using lynx or watching mplayer with ascii
renderer :) , all in virtual terminal(with directfb if required)
Yes many prefer lynx/w3m/elinks/edbrowse over other webbrowsers. But
saying that anti-desktop means mplayer with ascii is just streatching
it a bit too much. If you use screen + xterm + xmonad then you will, I
hope, see the advantage of not using gnome/kde.
The general ignorance towards power user setups might explain why people
describe us as "old timers who can't get along with change" or "ricers"
funny thing is that the wimp desktop didnt change in 20 years while
antidesktop brings new and fresh ideas all the time.
Just think about keyboard-user browsers. THATS a HCI improvement.
Guess where 10GUi got its ideas from..
It's a vim vs emacs argument though, ie a waste of time for everyone,
and a nuisance if the discussion participants generally know only one side.
Some people can't be educated, others are educated and chose a side
based on own experience. I prefer the second kind, no matter which side
they chose.
--
Arvid
Asgaard Technologies
