Re: Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf

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I think that we should not discourage anyone that wants to create such a tool. It can be used by beginners that learn how to configure the server with a GUI, then find how the httpd.conf is created, but this only if that tool can do absolutely everything a text editor can do.

If that tool can't do absolutely everything, than it is an evil tool for the beginners because it will make them think that what it can do is everything Apache can do, or they won't care that there are possible more advanced configurations, which is not good.

It is just like a kind of beeing pleased with what Ruby on Rails can do, without reaching to know how more things Catalyst framework can.

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Krist van Besien" <krist.vanbesien@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Re: GUI for configuring Apache httpd by editing httpd.conf


On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Peter Schober
<peter.schober@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 It's certainly not for me. But other than stating the reasons why I
think this is not practical and helpful in the real world, why should
I try to convice others to /not/ write duch a thing? Because "some
things should not be easy"?

Thinks should be easy. That is the point. Given the aim of the apache
webserver, and its intended audience the current way of configuring
apache is by far the easiest.

Apache is a tool for webserver admins, not for average computer users.
With apache if I need to explain to one of our operators how to deploy
a change to all our webservers all I need to know is if said person
has basic unix knowledge (which is the case, or we wouldn't let them
near our servers) and all I need to provide in my workorder is "copy
atached file to /etc/apache2/sites_available and then execute
apache2ctl graceful.
With a gui I either need to know if the target of my workorder is
familiar whith the gui, and if I'm not sure I have no other option of
writing a complete walk through, with screenshots. That I consider a
waste of my time.
So my preference for the command line and text files has nothing to do
with elitism or nostalgia. It has everything to do with two things
that are very important in a production environment: Simplicity and
repeatability.

Krist


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