Hi, did you have a look in the apache log files? Last time I had this problem I found the reason for my problem there. Regards Susan just as a notice: "httpd not running, trying to start" is no error message - as apachectl graceful is normally used to restart the apache. The message will appear if your apache is currently not running and you are acutally starting not restarting your apache. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See <URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html> for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx " from the digest: users-digest-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx