On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 5:12 PM Yann Dirson <ydirson@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Alex wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 11:41 AM Yann Dirson <ydirson@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > Christian wrote:
> > > > Am 19.12.21 um 17:00 schrieb Yann Dirson:
> > > > > Alex wrote:
> > > > >> Thinking about this more, I think the problem might be related
> > > > >> to
> > > > >> CPU
> > > > >> access to "VRAM". APUs don't have dedicated VRAM, they use a
> > > > >> reserved
> > > > >> carve out region at the top of system memory. For CPU access
> > > > >> to
> > > > >> this
> > > > >> memory, we kmap the physical address of the carve out region
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> system
> > > > >> memory. You'll need to make sure that region is accessible to
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> guest.
> > > > > So basically, the non-virt flow is is: (video?) BIOS reserves
> > > > > memory, marks it
> > > > > as reserved in e820, stores the physaddr somewhere, which the
> > > > > GPU
> > > > > driver gets.
> > > > > Since I suppose this includes the framebuffer, this probably
> > > > > has to
> > > > > occur around
> > > > > the moment the driver calls
> > > > > drm_aperture_remove_conflicting_pci_framebuffers()
> > > > > (which happens before this hw init step), right ?
> > > >
> > > > Well, that partially correct. The efifb is using the PCIe
> > > > resources
> > > > to
> > > > access the framebuffer and as far as I know we use that one to
> > > > kick
> > > > it out.
> > > >
> > > > The stolen memory we get over e820/registers is separate to that.
>
> How is the stolen memory communicated to the driver ? That host physical
> memory probably has to be mapped at the same guest physical address for
> the magic to work, right ?
Correct. The driver reads the physical location of that memory from
hardware registers. Removing this chunk of code from gmc_v9_0.c will
force the driver to use the BAR, but I'm not sure if there are any
other places in the driver that make assumptions about using the
physical host address or not on APUs off hand.
if ((adev->flags & AMD_IS_APU) ||
(adev->gmc.xgmi.supported &&
adev->gmc.xgmi.connected_to_cpu)) {
adev->gmc.aper_base =
adev->gfxhub.funcs->get_mc_fb_offset(adev) +
adev->gmc.xgmi.physical_node_id *
adev->gmc.xgmi.node_segment_size;
adev->gmc.aper_size = adev->gmc.real_vram_size;
}
>
> > > >
> > > > > ... which brings me to a point that's been puzzling me for some
> > > > > time, which is
> > > > > that as the hw init fails, the efifb driver is still using the
> > > > > framebuffer.
> > > >
> > > > No, it isn't. You are probably just still seeing the same screen.
> > > >
> > > > The issue is most likely that while efi was kicked out nobody
> > > > re-programmed the display hardware to show something different.
> > > >
> > > > > Am I right in suspecting that efifb should get stripped of its
> > > > > ownership of the
> > > > > fb aperture first, and that if I don't get a black screen on
> > > > > hw_init failure
> > > > > that issue should be the first focus point ?
> > > >
> > > > You assumption with the black screen is incorrect. Since the
> > > > hardware
> > > > works independent even if you kick out efi you still have the
> > > > same
> > > > screen content, you just can't update it anymore.
> > >
> > > It's not only that the screen keeps its contents, it's that the
> > > dom0
> > > happily continues updating it.
> >
> > If the hypevisor is using efifb, then yes that could be a problem as
> > the hypervisor could be writing to the efifb resources which ends up
> > writing to the same physical memory. That applies to any GPU on a
> > UEFI system. You'll need to make sure efifb is not in use in the
> > hypervisor.
>
> That remark evokes several things to me. First one is that every time
> I've tried booting with efifb disabled in dom0, there was no visible
> improvements in the guest driver - i.i. I really have to dig how vram mapping
> is performed and check things are as expected anyway.
Ultimately you end up at the same physical memory. efifb uses the PCI
BAR which points to the same physical memory that the driver directly
maps.
>
> The other is that, when dom0 cannot use efifb, entering a luks key is
> suddenly less user-friendly. But in theory I'd think we could overcome
> this by letting dom0 use efifb until ready to start the guest, a simple
> driver unbind at the right moment should be expected to work, right ?
> Going further and allowing the guest to use efifb on its own could
> possibly be more tricky (starting with a different state?) but does
> not seem to sound completely outlandish either - or does it ?
>
efifb just takes whatever hardware state the GOP driver in the pre-OS
environment left the GPU in. Once you have a driver loaded in the OS,
that state is gone so I I don't see much value in using efifb once you
have a real driver in the mix. If you want a console on the host,
it's probably better to use 2 GPU or just load the real driver as
needed in both the host and guest.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > But putting efi asside what Alex pointed out pretty much breaks
> > > > your
> > > > neck trying to forward the device. You maybe could try to hack
> > > > the
> > > > driver to use the PCIe BAR for framebuffer access, but that might
> > > > be
> > > > quite a bit slower.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Christian.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Alex
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 3:29 PM Alex Deucher
> > > > >> <alexdeucher@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 5:19 PM Yann Dirson <ydirson@xxxxxxx>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>> Alex wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 4:36 PM Yann Dirson
> > > > >>>>> <ydirson@xxxxxxx>
> > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> Hi Alex,
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> We have not validated virtualization of our integrated
> > > > >>>>>>> GPUs. I
> > > > >>>>>>> don't
> > > > >>>>>>> know that it will work at all. We had done a bit of
> > > > >>>>>>> testing but
> > > > >>>>>>> ran
> > > > >>>>>>> into the same issues with the PSP, but never had a chance
> > > > >>>>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>> debug
> > > > >>>>>>> further because this feature is not productized.
> > > > >>>>>> ...
> > > > >>>>>>> You need a functional PSP to get the GPU driver up and
> > > > >>>>>>> running.
> > > > >>>>>> Ah, thanks for the hint :)
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I guess that if I want to have any chance to get the PSP
> > > > >>>>>> working
> > > > >>>>>> I'm
> > > > >>>>>> going to need more details on it. A quick search some
> > > > >>>>>> time
> > > > >>>>>> ago
> > > > >>>>>> mostly
> > > > >>>>>> brought reverse-engineering work, rather than official AMD
> > > > >>>>>> doc.
> > > > >>>>>> Are
> > > > >>>>>> there some AMD resources I missed ?
> > > > >>>>> The driver code is pretty much it.
> > > > >>>> Let's try to shed some more light on how things work, taking
> > > > >>>> as
> > > > >>>> excuse
> > > > >>>> psp_v12_0_ring_create().
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> First, register access through [RW]REG32_SOC15() is
> > > > >>>> implemented
> > > > >>>> in
> > > > >>>> terms of __[RW]REG32_SOC15_RLC__(), which is basically a
> > > > >>>> [RW]REG32(),
> > > > >>>> except it has to be more complex in the SR-IOV case.
> > > > >>>> Has the RLC anything to do with SR-IOV ?
> > > > >>> When running the driver on a SR-IOV virtual function (VF),
> > > > >>> some
> > > > >>> registers are not available directly via the VF's MMIO
> > > > >>> aperture
> > > > >>> so
> > > > >>> they need to go through the RLC. For bare metal or
> > > > >>> passthrough
> > > > >>> this
> > > > >>> is not relevant.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> It accesses registers in the MMIO range of the MP0 IP, and
> > > > >>>> the
> > > > >>>> "MP0"
> > > > >>>> name correlates highly with MMIO accesses in PSP-handling
> > > > >>>> code.
> > > > >>>> Is "MP0" another name for PSP (and "MP1" for SMU) ? The MP0
> > > > >>>> version
> > > > >>> Yes.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> reported at v11.0.3 by discovery seems to contradict the use
> > > > >>>> of
> > > > >>>> v12.0
> > > > >>>> for RENOIR as set by soc15_set_ip_blocks(), or do I miss
> > > > >>>> something ?
> > > > >>> Typo in the ip discovery table on renoir.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> More generally (and mostly out of curiosity while we're at
> > > > >>>> it),
> > > > >>>> do we
> > > > >>>> have a way to match IPs listed at discovery time with the
> > > > >>>> ones
> > > > >>>> used
> > > > >>>> in the driver ?
> > > > >>> In general, barring typos, the code is shared at the major
> > > > >>> version
> > > > >>> level. The actual code may or may not need changes to handle
> > > > >>> minor
> > > > >>> revision changes in an IP. The driver maps the IP versions
> > > > >>> from
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>> ip discovery table to the code contained in the driver.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> ---
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> As for the register names, maybe we could have a short
> > > > >>>> explanation of
> > > > >>>> how they are structured ? Eg. mmMP0_SMN_C2PMSG_69: that
> > > > >>>> seems
> > > > >>>> to
> > > > >>>> be
> > > > >>>> a MMIO register named "C2PMSG_69" in the "MP0" IP, but I'm
> > > > >>>> not
> > > > >>>> sure
> > > > >>>> of the "SMN" part -- that could refer to the "System
> > > > >>>> Management
> > > > >>>> Network",
> > > > >>>> described in [0] as an internal bus. Are we accessing this
> > > > >>>> register
> > > > >>>> through this SMN ?
> > > > >>> These registers are just mailboxes for the PSP firmware. All
> > > > >>> of
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>> C2PMSG registers functionality is defined by the PSP
> > > > >>> firmware.
> > > > >>> They
> > > > >>> are basically scratch registers used to communicate between
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>> driver
> > > > >>> and the PSP firmware.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> On APUs, the PSP is shared with
> > > > >>>>> the CPU and the rest of the platform. The GPU driver just
> > > > >>>>> interacts
> > > > >>>>> with it for a few specific tasks:
> > > > >>>>> 1. Loading Trusted Applications (e.g., trusted firmware
> > > > >>>>> applications
> > > > >>>>> that run on the PSP for specific functionality, e.g., HDCP
> > > > >>>>> and
> > > > >>>>> content
> > > > >>>>> protection, etc.)
> > > > >>>>> 2. Validating and loading firmware for other engines on the
> > > > >>>>> SoC.
> > > > >>>>> This
> > > > >>>>> is required to use those engines.
> > > > >>>> Trying to understand in more details how we start the PSP
> > > > >>>> up, I
> > > > >>>> noticed
> > > > >>>> that psp_v12_0 has support for loading a sOS firmware, but
> > > > >>>> never
> > > > >>>> calls
> > > > >>>> init_sos_microcode() - and anyway there is no sos firmware
> > > > >>>> for
> > > > >>>> renoir
> > > > >>>> and green_sardine, which seem to be the only ASICs with this
> > > > >>>> PSP
> > > > >>>> version.
> > > > >>>> Is it something that's just not been completely wired up yet
> > > > >>>> ?
> > > > >>> On APUs, the PSP is shared with the CPU so the PSP firmware
> > > > >>> is
> > > > >>> part
> > > > >>> of
> > > > >>> the sbios image. The driver doesn't load it. We only load
> > > > >>> it on
> > > > >>> dGPUs where the driver is responsible for the chip
> > > > >>> initialization.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> That also rings a bell, that we have nothing about Secure OS
> > > > >>>> in
> > > > >>>> the doc
> > > > >>>> yet (not even the acronym in the glossary).
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> I'm not too familiar with the PSP's path to memory from the
> > > > >>>>> GPU
> > > > >>>>> perspective. IIRC, most memory used by the PSP goes
> > > > >>>>> through
> > > > >>>>> carve
> > > > >>>>> out
> > > > >>>>> "vram" on APUs so it should work, but I would double check
> > > > >>>>> if
> > > > >>>>> there
> > > > >>>>> are any system memory allocations that used to interact
> > > > >>>>> with
> > > > >>>>> the PSP
> > > > >>>>> and see if changing them to vram helps. It does work with
> > > > >>>>> the
> > > > >>>>> IOMMU
> > > > >>>>> enabled on bare metal, so it should work in passthrough as
> > > > >>>>> well
> > > > >>>>> in
> > > > >>>>> theory.
> > > > >>>> I can see a single case in the PSP code where GTT is used
> > > > >>>> instead
> > > > >>>> of
> > > > >>>> vram: to create fw_pri_bo when SR-IOV is not used (and there
> > > > >>>> has
> > > > >>>> to be a reason, since the SR-IOV code path does use vram).
> > > > >>>> Changing it to vram does not make a difference, but then the
> > > > >>>> only bo that seems to be used at that point is the one for
> > > > >>>> the
> > > > >>>> psp ring,
> > > > >>>> which is allocated in vram, so I'm not too much surprised.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Maybe I should double-check bo_create calls to hunt for more
> > > > >>>> ?
> > > > >>> We looked into this a bit ourselves and ran into the same
> > > > >>> issues.
> > > > >>> We'd probably need to debug this with the PSP team to make
> > > > >>> further
> > > > >>> progress, but this was not productized so neither team had
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>> resources to delve further.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Alex
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> [0]
> > > > >>>> https://github.com/PSPReverse/psp-docs/blob/master/masterthesis-eichner-psp-2020.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> >
