The same situation is for the SoC SOF firmware files (drivers are
in kernel, firmware files are missing). Perhaps, we can release those files
quickly in alsa-firmware and then migrate them slowly to linux-firmware.
for SOF there are 4 cases
1. developers/integrators build from scratch themselves from the public
tree.
2. integrators build from scratch with their own secret sauce added.
3. distros want a binary since they don't want to build from source
and/or don't have access to all the DSP tools
4. distros needs a binary signed with the Intel production key (e.g. to
run on devices initially designed for Windows).
Do you mean that the firmware should be signed because the hardware is doing a
check, if the hardware vendor enables it and rejects the unsigned binaries?
It depends on the platforms.
Baytrail/Cherrytrail/Broadwell don't need any signature.
Starting with Skylake, the firmware is authenticated and the DSP will
not boot unless it's signed with the relevant key, but different
platforms chose different protections. Most of the Windows platforms use
a strong authentication based on a non-public 'production key', which
prevents people from installing their own firmware. Other solutions such
as Up Squared boards or 2019 Chromebooks use a public key that is
already part of the SOF tree.
Unfortunately I didn't find a way to detect which key is used, and it's
not wise to try multiple keys since it adds a lot of latency on startup,
so we are leaning to use DMI-based quirks to detect which key is used by
what.
Any ETA when then signed firmware will be available?
it's being productized as we speak and it's my understanding that SOF
1.3 will provide a signed firmware for recent chipsets.
So far we were mostly dealing with case 1. Case 2 is allowed by the SOF
permissive license and there's no need to look into this. We are
planning releases for the last two cases, with a cadence aligned with
kernel updates. It's not fully clear to me if the linux-firmware tree is
the 'right' solution since ideally we'd want to have firmware, topology
and UCM files released at the same time.
Do you plan to create a new package for this? I can eventually offer the space
/ docker build system on the ALSA server, if you like. The github releases
work fine, too. The question is, if it's the right way. It seems that the
firmware/topology files are read-only chunks used by the driver (standard
usage) and the UCM config is for alsa-lib (the user space). It might make
probably sense to add compatibility IDs to link/check the correct parts
together at runtime and keep the standard (binary) code distribution for the
most of users (linux-firmware / alsa-lib).
There is a connection mostly between topology and UCM: the device
numbers used for the PCM streams have to match. If you add/remove a
stream in the topology, then UCM will use numbers that aren't quite
right. Same if you have a volume control used in UCM, you need to make
sure that volume control is actually part of the topology.
In the past, we discussed about moving UCM files and topology out of the
alsa-lib umbrella (and clarify what the license is for these
configuration files), it's probably a good time to revisit this.
It is also the packaging issue. This situation complicates the package
dependency tree. Basically, it might not be ideal to force users to install
extra package to support the specific hardware platform with fw/ucm/tplg
files. On the other side, there is no reason to have those bits installed on
system where the hardware does not exist. There should be an automatic way to
install the required bits on demand in the distribution in my opinion. I know,
it's not your issue.
I see those ways:
1) package everything hw specific to one package (fw/ucm/tplg), let distros to
handle the automatic installation when the hardware is detected or the
integration to the current alsa-lib/linux-firmware packages to avoid on-demand
installation
2) use some versioning / linking IDs for the firmware/topology/ucm, so we can
have more topology/ucm files for one hardware; the driver can use the
component field in the ALSA's control interface to notify the user space which
firmware / topology was loaded, so the correct UCM files can be used
Unfortunately that would not work. The UCM file needs to be aligned with
the topology but also with the hardware peripherals used. The topology
file only describes the DSP graph, all the way from PCM streams to DAIs.
The platform hardware can be very different even when you use the same
topology file. A simple example is that some platforms have a single
speaker or others two. The mics may be analog or digital. That
hardware-level information that UCM needs to know is not discoverable
and we have to rely on DMI-based quirks to set a long name. Knowing
which topology file was used will not help.
Even finding out which topology file is needed is not obvious. We
currently use the codec ACPI ID as a key to look-up a set of static
tables to figure out which firmware and topology files need to be used,
but it's likely we will have multiple platforms which will end-up using
the same generic topology even though they'd need a different one to
account for form-factor or acoustics. Again we will have to use quirks here.
Speaking for distributions, we need to correctly identify the driver which
will load the proper firmware files. From notes posted to the alsa-devel ML,
it seems that there are three drivers for similar hardware (sound bridges) now
and it is not easy to identify the proper driver, because the similar PCI ID
is registered in all of them:
1) legacy HDA
2) sound/soc/intel
3) sound/soc/sof/intel
Do not forget that the distributions include all driver modules in their
universal kernels. It seems like a problem for the Intel hardware at the
moment. Perhaps, you may give us some recommendations / hints.
Yes, I've started working on this, it's part of the same "distro
enabling" discussion.
In most of the cases, the legacy HDaudio driver can be used, unless
there are DMICs attached. I submitted an RFC to try to add an
auto-detection.
I also added a build-time exclusion between SOF and SST drivers, and a
smarter run-time detection I am still working on.
Great. Thanks. It seems that the DMIC support is sensitive for the hardware
vendors now.
Indeed, the combination of HDAudio codecs+ DMIC keeps most of the SOF
team busy at the moment.
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