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> From: AIRLINE automatic digest system <LISTSERV@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Date: 4/25/2005 9:01:57 PM
> Subject: AIRLINE Digest - 22 Apr 2005 to 25 Apr 2005 (#2005-110)
>
> There are 2 messages totalling 131 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
>   1. Air Canada upgrades fleet
>   2. Air Canada's heavy purchase
>
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>
> Date:    Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:13:36 -0400
> From:    Ian Caldwell <iancaldwell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Air Canada upgrades fleet
>
>  From the Globe & Mail http://www.theglobeandmail.com
>
> By TAVIA GRANT
>
> Monday, April 25, 2005 Updated at 12:06 PM EST
>
> Globe and Mail Update
>
>
> ACE Aviation Holdings Inc. said it plans to modernize Air Canada's fleet 
> with the purchase of as many as 96 new Boeing Co. airplanes. Boeing said 
> the firm part of the order for 32 planes has a list-price value of about 
> $6-billion (U.S.).
>
> Air Canada didn't disclose terms of the purchase or details on payment.
The 
> agreement covers 36 Boeing 777s and 60 Boeing 787 Dreamliners, a move
that 
> will help the company improve efficiency and lower costs. It will also
help 
> Canada's largest airline expand in key destinations of Latin American and
Asia.
>
> The recovery of Air Canada, which emerged from 18 months of bankruptcy 
> protection in September, has been a long time coming. The company was hit 
> hard after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks forced it to take some 
> planes out of service as demand for seats plunged. Last month, however,
the 
> company posted its first fourth-quarter profit since 1999 and said it 
> planned to expand its overseas routes, while increasing market share at 
> home after the demise of rival, Jetsgo Corp.
>
> "Our decision to modernize our fleet with the 777 and 787 Dreamliner will 
> move Air Canada into a clear leadership position among North American 
> international carriers with the world's two newest and most efficient 
> twin-engine, long-haul airplanes," ACE chairman and president Robert
Milton 
> said in a release.
>
> Under terms of the agreement, the company placed firm orders for 18
Boeing 
> 777s, with purchase rights for another 18 more. It also placed orders for 
> 14 Boeing 787 Dreamliners, plus options and purchase rights for another
46 
> more airplanes. The list price for the transaction doesn't reflect the 
> discount usually given to airline customers for placing large orders.
>
> Air Canada had said in February it would choose between either Boeing and 
> rival Airbus SAS to replace its aging fleet. Boeing shares rose $1.40 or 
> 2.4 per cent to $59.28 (U.S.) in New York. ACE Aviation class B shares
fell 
> 52 cents or 1.5 per cent to $35.25 (Canadian) in Toronto trading.
>
> The plan announced today will create "one of the world's youngest and
most 
> simplified airline fleets," Air Canada said.
>
> The companies expect to finalize the agreement by mid-year.
>
> Delivery of some of the planes could begin next year with three Boeing 
> 777s. The first of the planes will operate between Vancouver and Tokyo.
>
> "Our analysis of these aircraft pointed to overwhelmingly attractive 
> economics," Mr. Milton said. He estimates the fuel burn and maintenance 
> cost savings on the 787 will be almost a third less than the ones they
will 
> replace.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:31:03 -0500
> From:    Matthew Montano <mmontano@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Air Canada's heavy purchase
>
> Boeing it was.
>
> Any idea what AC's unhappiness has been wit the A343? They've used them 
> longer than almost anyone else, and even got rid of a few very 
> long-in-the-tooth models.
>
> Is the expectation that the older 762 and 762ERs would be retired? 
> (Some like, C-GAUN would be 25 years old!)
>
> Is the complete 763 fleet going as well?
>
> The quantity to be ordered I don't think would replace their extensive 
> 767 fleet, and the numerous 343/345/333 examples...
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On 22-Apr-05, at 8:39 AM, Alireza Alivandivafa wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 4/22/2005 12:20:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > mmontano@xxxxxxxxx writes:
> > There were even numbers of $6B worth of planes over a number of years.
> > Obviously Airbus and Boeing are the only competition.
> >
> > - A recommitment to Airbus would include A340s and A330s/350s? No
> > mention of the A380 was made?
> > - A recommitment to Boeing would include 763s? 772/773s? 787s?
> >
> > Didn't AC recently commit to the B763 for a number of years?
> >
> >
> >
> > Indeed an Airbus order would likely be a combination of the heavier 
> > A340s
> > plus a major A350 order.  AC will not be ordering the A380, as they 
> > cannot
> > purchase it as a combi and really don't have the passenger loads for a 
> > 744, let
> > alone an A380.
> >
> > A Boeing order (which is favored because of the better size match of 
> > the 787,
> > Milton's leaning toward Boeing and AC's less than complete happiness 
> > with the
> > A340, particularly the A343) would include 788s, possibly 789s and 
> > 773ERs.
> > 772LRs are less likely, simply because they are likely to get enough 
> > range for
> > YYZ-HKG and YYZ-DEL (even with a mountain route deviation) from the 
> > 773ER or
> > 787.
> >
> > AC has stated that they want either order to include APB winglets for 
> > their
> > 763ERs (they would launch the winglets).
> >
>
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> End of AIRLINE Digest - 22 Apr 2005 to 25 Apr 2005 (#2005-110)
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