> [Original Message] > From: AIRLINE automatic digest system <LISTSERV@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 4/25/2005 9:01:57 PM > Subject: AIRLINE Digest - 22 Apr 2005 to 25 Apr 2005 (#2005-110) > > There are 2 messages totalling 131 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. Air Canada upgrades fleet > 2. Air Canada's heavy purchase > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:13:36 -0400 > From: Ian Caldwell <iancaldwell@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Air Canada upgrades fleet > > From the Globe & Mail http://www.theglobeandmail.com > > By TAVIA GRANT > > Monday, April 25, 2005 Updated at 12:06 PM EST > > Globe and Mail Update > > > ACE Aviation Holdings Inc. said it plans to modernize Air Canada's fleet > with the purchase of as many as 96 new Boeing Co. airplanes. Boeing said > the firm part of the order for 32 planes has a list-price value of about > $6-billion (U.S.). > > Air Canada didn't disclose terms of the purchase or details on payment. The > agreement covers 36 Boeing 777s and 60 Boeing 787 Dreamliners, a move that > will help the company improve efficiency and lower costs. It will also help > Canada's largest airline expand in key destinations of Latin American and Asia. > > The recovery of Air Canada, which emerged from 18 months of bankruptcy > protection in September, has been a long time coming. The company was hit > hard after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks forced it to take some > planes out of service as demand for seats plunged. Last month, however, the > company posted its first fourth-quarter profit since 1999 and said it > planned to expand its overseas routes, while increasing market share at > home after the demise of rival, Jetsgo Corp. > > "Our decision to modernize our fleet with the 777 and 787 Dreamliner will > move Air Canada into a clear leadership position among North American > international carriers with the world's two newest and most efficient > twin-engine, long-haul airplanes," ACE chairman and president Robert Milton > said in a release. > > Under terms of the agreement, the company placed firm orders for 18 Boeing > 777s, with purchase rights for another 18 more. It also placed orders for > 14 Boeing 787 Dreamliners, plus options and purchase rights for another 46 > more airplanes. The list price for the transaction doesn't reflect the > discount usually given to airline customers for placing large orders. > > Air Canada had said in February it would choose between either Boeing and > rival Airbus SAS to replace its aging fleet. Boeing shares rose $1.40 or > 2.4 per cent to $59.28 (U.S.) in New York. ACE Aviation class B shares fell > 52 cents or 1.5 per cent to $35.25 (Canadian) in Toronto trading. > > The plan announced today will create "one of the world's youngest and most > simplified airline fleets," Air Canada said. > > The companies expect to finalize the agreement by mid-year. > > Delivery of some of the planes could begin next year with three Boeing > 777s. The first of the planes will operate between Vancouver and Tokyo. > > "Our analysis of these aircraft pointed to overwhelmingly attractive > economics," Mr. Milton said. He estimates the fuel burn and maintenance > cost savings on the 787 will be almost a third less than the ones they will > replace. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:31:03 -0500 > From: Matthew Montano <mmontano@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Air Canada's heavy purchase > > Boeing it was. > > Any idea what AC's unhappiness has been wit the A343? They've used them > longer than almost anyone else, and even got rid of a few very > long-in-the-tooth models. > > Is the expectation that the older 762 and 762ERs would be retired? > (Some like, C-GAUN would be 25 years old!) > > Is the complete 763 fleet going as well? > > The quantity to be ordered I don't think would replace their extensive > 767 fleet, and the numerous 343/345/333 examples... > > Matthew > > > On 22-Apr-05, at 8:39 AM, Alireza Alivandivafa wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/22/2005 12:20:19 AM Central Daylight Time, > > mmontano@xxxxxxxxx writes: > > There were even numbers of $6B worth of planes over a number of years. > > Obviously Airbus and Boeing are the only competition. > > > > - A recommitment to Airbus would include A340s and A330s/350s? No > > mention of the A380 was made? > > - A recommitment to Boeing would include 763s? 772/773s? 787s? > > > > Didn't AC recently commit to the B763 for a number of years? > > > > > > > > Indeed an Airbus order would likely be a combination of the heavier > > A340s > > plus a major A350 order. AC will not be ordering the A380, as they > > cannot > > purchase it as a combi and really don't have the passenger loads for a > > 744, let > > alone an A380. > > > > A Boeing order (which is favored because of the better size match of > > the 787, > > Milton's leaning toward Boeing and AC's less than complete happiness > > with the > > A340, particularly the A343) would include 788s, possibly 789s and > > 773ERs. > > 772LRs are less likely, simply because they are likely to get enough > > range for > > YYZ-HKG and YYZ-DEL (even with a mountain route deviation) from the > > 773ER or > > 787. > > > > AC has stated that they want either order to include APB winglets for > > their > > 763ERs (they would launch the winglets). > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of AIRLINE Digest - 22 Apr 2005 to 25 Apr 2005 (#2005-110) > **************************************************************