David, You are off topic yourself. I happen to be a flight instructor, an aircraft owner, a pilot and an advocate of AOPA. I spent close to 30 hrs since Oct. 20th with AOPA to fight this stupid rule. I am also in the industry, and happen to know no one is happy about this. But, then again, you judge me, as you usually do. I bet my entire wealth on the fact that you even haven't read the legislation, the docket and the reaction of the thousands of people on FAA's website.. Why am I not surprised.. As a rule of thumb, I don't reply to your replies to me. This time I am even keeping it within the context. Also, FYI, I don't even know the moderator and he also put me on moderation before. I have been poor before many times, I am born white but I never been a trash :) Have a great holidays.. BAHA Fan of flying -----Original Message----- From: David MR [mailto:damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:09 PM To: The Airline List; Bahadir Acuner Subject: RE: Aline Registration Rule goes into effect today.. You know something? I post something on-topic (i.e. related to the airline industry) and I get put into the moderated status. You post something off-topic constantly and you don't get moderated. Is it because I'm just poor white trash and the you and the moderator aren't? =>-----Original Message----- =>From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of =>Bahadir Acuner =>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 21:27 =>To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =>Subject: Aline Registration Rule goes into effect today.. => => =>Alien training/citizenship validation rule hits everyone today =>AOPA continues advocacy to lessen impact =>Starting today, any non-U.S. citizen who is beginning training for a new =>certificate or rating in any size powered aircraft must be cleared by the =>Transportation Security Administration, including those who have =>previously =>held pilot certificates. This alien flight training rule applies even to =>resident aliens with a "green card." => =>And the rule also applies to U.S. citizens as well. That's because flight =>instructors and flight schools are required to check a student's =>citizenship =>before providing training for any new certificate or rating. => =>"We expect that the TSA will soon announce some changes that AOPA =>advocated =>that will make this rule less intrusive," said Andy Cebula, AOPA =>senior vice =>president of Government and Technical Affairs. "We also pushed =>very hard for =>TSA to treat resident aliens the same as citizens, but TSA =>refuses to budge =>on that issue." => =>Despite the fact that resident aliens have been investigated and =>fingerprinted by U.S. immigration services, TSA doesn't have =>confidence that =>the process has weeded out potential terrorists. => =>"Neither do some members of Congress," said Cebula. "We =>understand that many =>AOPA members are resident aliens and have been loyal to this country for =>years. But Congress and the Department of Homeland Security are adamant =>about treating all non-U.S. citizens the same way when it comes to flight =>training." => =>This lack of confidence can be attributed, in part, to the fiasco that =>ensued when six months after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade =>Center, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) sent student visa =>approval forms for terrorists Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi to the =>Florida flight school where they had trained. The INS was reorganized and =>absorbed into the Department of Homeland Security and renamed U.S. =>Citizenship and Immigration Services in 2003. => =>For flight instructors, the rule means that they are required to check the =>citizenship of any student applying for training for a new certificate or =>rating. AOPA had successfully lobbied to get recurrent training and =>proficiency checks excluded from the rule. => =>AOPA was also successful in obtaining an exemption to the rule for U.S. =>citizens that allows instructors to make a simple logbook entry =>to show that =>they have checked citizenship, rather than having to maintain =>copies of the =>student's proof-of-citizenship papers for five years. => =>Flight instructors and flight schools training non-U.S. citizens =>have to be =>approved by the TSA. Training providers can register online with the TSA. =>All flight instructors must also complete initial security awareness =>training by January 18, 2005, regardless whether they are training foreign =>nationals or not. => =>Non-U.S. citizens taking any type of flight training in a powered =>aircraft, =>regardless of size, (gliders, balloons, and airships are exempt) must get =>TSA approval and pay a $130 application fee. They also have to =>submit their =>fingerprints and a photo to TSA. Flight training providers have to verify =>with TSA that the student has been approved for training. => =>Complete details of who the TSA's Alien Flight Training / Citizenship =>Validation Rule applies to and how to comply with the rule are =>available in =>AOPA's online guide. =>-- =>No virus found in this incoming message. =>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. =>Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release Date: 12/20/2004 => -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release Date: 12/20/2004