David, I am blaming pilots for this, as they are willing to work for peanuts with the salary levels they they work. Most of them are not going to see the retirement. Even if they do, they will get the government checks. And one last thing.. you know jack about my native country. So shut the fudge. BAHA Sick and tired of being repeated that this is not my native country.. --- David MR <damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > This not being a socialist country nor one with a > draft, let me as you one > question: Are these people being held at gun point > to be airline pilots? No > one is forcing them to be airline pilots so quit > your friggin bitching, > Baha, and come to the realization that supply and > demand works here, unlike > your native country. > > David R > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Airline List > [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of > Bahadir Acuner > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 06:42 > To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [Sky-1] Airline tailspin puts pilot in > a spot > > > This is pathetic.. $16,000 BEFORE taxes.. McD's pays > better.. Yeah , by the > way, 10,000 pilots will retire in 3 years, come and > pay me $50,000 for your > training and you will have a guaranteed interview > with my airline.. > > > > Pilots working part time on a second job to make a > living? Nobody talks > about that in FLYING magazine ads. :-) > > > > BAHA > > Fan of Evan Perez writing the real life of pilots.. > > > > _____ > > From: B787300@xxxxxxx [mailto:B787300@xxxxxxx] > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:10 AM > To: skyone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [Sky-1] Airline tailspin puts pilot in a > spot > > > > Airline tailspin puts pilot in a spot > By Evan Perez The Wall Street Journal > > Posted Tuesday, November 02, 2004 > > Pilot Troy Kane is a long way from the dream job he > thought he would be > enjoying by now. > > Last weekend, he flew 19-seat turboprop planes from > Milwaukee to the > Wisconsin cities of La Crosse and Green Bay, both > hourlong trips, for Skyway > Airlines. The planes have no lavatory, no autopilot > and no flight > attendants, meaning Kane has to do the > fasten-your-seatbelt demonstration > before taking his seat in the cockpit. > > The job pays just $16,000 a year, but the > 33-year-old pilot is happy to have > it. > > Skyway, a unit of Midwest Air Group Inc., was the > only airline to even offer > Kane an interview after he was furloughed from Delta > Air Lines shortly after > the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. > > Kane had just taken his "check ride," a training > flight that was supposed to > be the last step before getting to pilot big Delta > jets, with a starting > salary of $50,000. He would be making $119,000 this > year under Delta's > current pay scale. > > "I never actually got to wear the uniform," he said. > "I went from the top of > cloud nine to the pits of despair." > > Thousands of pilots' careers have had rough landings > because of the > financial crisis gripping U.S. airlines. > > The carriers have piled up losses of about $23 > billion in the past three > years. As a result, life in the cockpit isn't nearly > as highflying as it > used to be. > > About 8,700 of the pilots at major U.S. passenger > and freight carriers, or > nearly 15 percent of the total, are on furlough, > says AIR Inc., an Atlanta > career-consulting firm for pilots. > > Kane holds the particularly unfortunate distinction > of being the last pilot > hired at Delta and first to be furloughed, putting > him last on the list to > come back as other pilots leave or the airline > expands. > > The new Delta contract is likely to bring more bad > news for pilots like > Kane. Delta would be able to eliminate the existing > pilot-recall schedule > under which the airline is required to recall 30 to > 50 pilots a month. Delta > agreed only to bring back furloughed pilots by 2008. > Kane was expecting to > be back by roughly August 2006 under the current > schedule. Furloughed pilots > would get priority on jobs Delta outsources to its > regional carriers, but > "the longer I stay on the sidelines, the less > attractive I would be to > getting hired somewhere," he worries. > > In the meantime, being stuck at No. 809 on the Delta > furlough list limits > Kane's chances of getting another job at an airline > other than Delta. Many > airlines won't hire furloughed pilots, since they > could leave on short > notice if the job they've been waiting for opens up. > > "I was very fortunate that at least Skyway would > give me a chance," he says. > > Before the Sept. 11 attacks, Kane and his wife were > planning a new life. > They hoped to buy a home in Peachtree City, Ga., a > well-to-do city south of > Atlanta that is known as Delta company housing > because so many former and > current Delta workers live there. Now, though, Kane > is getting a divorce. > > "From all the job changes and moves, and my mood > changes, we just grew > apart," says Kane, who works part time as a mortgage > salesman from his > Milwaukee apartment. > > Despite being so far away from his dream job, Kane > says he can't imagine > doing anything else for a living. > > "I love to fly more than anything," he says. > > He began flying in college, deciding to become an > airline pilot after three > years as an accountant, which left him miserable. > The most he ever made was > $41,000, in his last year at Delta. > > "Would I do it for a lot less?" asks Kane. > "Obviously, because I am." > > > > > > SkyOne--The Airline News Channel > To Post message: Skyone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To Subscribe: Skyone-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To Unsubscribe: > Skyone-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > List owner: Skyone-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Skyone URL: > http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/Skyone > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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