Re: Everybody missed on this

[Clay Wardlow <clay.wardlow@xxxxxxxx>]

We all know this won't help them.

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I think most of us are aware that after the dot-com bust and 9/11,
companies cut corporate travel budgets. The traveling public will not
accept fares too much higher than they are now. Sure, some fares should
go up, it's not right to have $49 fares. However, most of us don't get
those fares.

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Clay - SEA

Fan of Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Latte... yumm

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-----Original Message-----
From: damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 1:24 PM
To: The Airline List; Clay Wardlow
Subject: Re: Everybody missed on this

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It's Baha, Clay.  He's the one that thinks increasing fares will give
the airlines a profit.=20

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David

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        > Explain, please.=20
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        > Also a fan of hub and spoke.=20
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        > From: Bahadir Acuner [mailto:bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20=20
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        > It's costing AA more to operate the non-stop because of hub
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        > structure.=20
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        > BAHA=20
        > Fan of hub and spoke, focus city, city of interest, whatever..

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        > From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
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        > Clay=20
        > Wardlow=20
        > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:48 PM=20
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        > Something that's come to me... which should cost more to
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        > the same planes:=20
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        > 1. SEA-DFW-SEA=20
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        > 2. SEA-STL-DFW-ORD-SEA=20
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        > My guess would be #2 would cost more... YET I'm paying $500
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        > #2 than I would pay to do #1.=20
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        > Something is messed up. No wonder no one is making money.=20
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        > From: damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx
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        > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:41 PM=20
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        > I agree with you, Clay.=20
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        > Obviously Baha doesn't have to worry about spending money
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        > obviousl! y has plenty of it. Us common peons do need to worry
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        > Lower fares - at a level that covers costs plus a small profit
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        > is needed.=20
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        > > Fan of fare increases, are you crazy man?=3D3D20=20
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        > > The airlines need to go through a much needed diet. There is

        > so much fat=3D3D20=20
        > > and waste at the biggies especially. This has been a long
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        > coming.=3D3D3D20=3D3D20=20
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        > > There's lots of change that needs to happen, not just in the

        > aviation=3D3D20=20
        > > industry, but world-wide. Oil is getting more expensive.=20
        > Demand is going=3D3D20=20
        > > up, supply is going down. Now we know there are other
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        > of energy=3D3D20=20
        > > for cars (etc), and they are becoming more popular. Is there

        > such a=3D3D20=20
        > > thing for airplanes? What happens to the industry if fuel=20
        > prices never=3D3D20=20
        > > stop going up? Fares can only go up so much before the
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        > person=3D3D20=20
        > > can't fly. That's not going to save the airlines.=3D3D20=20
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        > > Clay - SEA=3D3D20=20
        > > Fan of the maglev train they talked about on the Discovery=20
        > Channel the=3D3D20=20
        > > other day.=3D3D20=20
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        > > -----Original Message-----=3D3D20=20
        > > From: Bahadir Acuner =3D=20
        > [mailto:bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20=3D3D20=20
        > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:08 AM=3D3D20=20
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        > > WN has increased some of the fares by 50% few days ago. In
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        > day and=3D3D20=20
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        > > of $55/barrel oil prices I am hoping that this will take
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        > of yield=3D3! D20=20
        > > problems in the industry. There will be less of $99 one way=20
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        > > fares.=3D3D20=20
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        > > BAHA=3D3D20=20
        > > Fan of fare increases so that airlines can stay afloat.=3D3D20