And here I waas believing people saying that all union workers are are people who don't care how well they do their job because they have a decent paycheck, retirement and can file a grievence (all this in sarcasm). At some point people need to realize that not paying workers and making them feel insecure in their jobs, or worse yet, dropping them all together for people with no experience and no drive is going to affect airline safety. In a message dated 10/15/2004 12:43:38 PM Central Standard Time, DZTOPS@xxxxxxx writes: I recall even in Boston with Swissair--ground loading and handling was done by Hudson General--$5.00 an hour East Boston kids,got NO training and usually quit within 6 weeks so no one knew how to do anything except 2-3 supervisors covering 35 acft at the same time. I t was up to people like me to climb into the damn thing and double check the locks etc were in place with all the pallets and containers. As everyone trys to save a buck this can happen very easily these days...because there is no one left to climb in and double check........