I take it your are/were a load master? I can remember being a apprentice loadmaster in training on the old C-124s out of Donaldson ABF in S.C., what ever the shipment was, the tie downs and all the webbing was so tight an nat could have never gotten through! I am sure the same thing is true on the C-5s to Iraq and etc. Are any proceedures different between civil and military aircraft in regards to cargos? do we have any present and former loadmasters on board this net? Bob BOB FLETCHER US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS MILITARY DESIGN SECTION 10th FLOOR S.W. SACRAMENTO DISTRICT 1325 J STREET, SACRAMENTO CALIFORNIA, 95814-2922 Phone (916) 557-7235 -----Original Message----- From: Dennis W Zeuch [mailto:DZTOPS@xxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:21 AM To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Sky-1] 747F crash Halifax - Star Report Robert.Fletcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > This is what happened to a cargo bird out of Mather airport (Sacramento) > 3-4 > years ago, they had lifted off the ground, made a left turn, 180 degrees and > went down in a auto wrecking yard next to the airport (Old AFB), the load on > board WAS NOT TIED DOWN ! > I recall even in Boston with Swissair--ground loading and handling was done by Hudson General--$5.00 an hour East Boston kids,got NO training and usually quit within 6 weeks so no one knew how to do anything except 2-3 supervisors covering 35 acft at the same time. I t was up to people like me to climb into the damn thing and double check the locks etc were in place with all the pallets and containers. As everyone trys to save a buck this can happen very easily these days...because there is no one left to climb in and double check........ Dennis