Re: Dumping fuel

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That makes sense, (that's why I questioned how true it would be.)

But, as you alluded to, what's the average delta between max-takeoff
weight and max-landing weight?

Do bigger jets usually have a much bigger spread than smaller jets?

And of course, it's all tempered with how long the runway is. ;-)

Matthew

On Jun 27, 2004, at 9:24 AM, Kees de Lezenne Coulander wrote:

> Matthew Montano <mmontano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Most large aircraft do have the capability, by the nature that as a %
>> of their total weight, the fuel is a significant junk.
>>
>> DC-10s/MD-11s, as do 767s, 747s, 777s.
>>
>> Someone visualized it for me that if a large aircraft landed that was
>> almost full of fuel (if it could hold any sort of glide path) would
>> stop when the wheels touched the ground; but the wings would keep
>> going.
>>
>> Boom.
>>
>> Not sure how true that would be though.
>
>    Any aircraft certified to FAR Part 25 should be able to do
> considerably
> better than that. The landing gear and the rest of the structure
> should be able
> to withstand landing loads generated by a vertical speed at touchdown
> of 10
> ft/sec up to Max Landing Weight and 6 ft/sec up to Max Take-off Weight.
>
>    This requirement ensures that all airliners are structurally sound
> to
> withstand a landing at Max Take-off Weight, provided the circumstances
> allow
> a halfway decent landing. Any landing above Max Landing Weight will
> nevertheless trigger a heavy-landing inspection, keeping the aircraft
> out of
> service for a little while.
>
>    A fuel dump system is purely a performance issue. It is required,
> unless the
> aircraft can maintain required approach and landing climb gradients at
> up to
> full take-off weight. These climb requirements are intended to ensure
> that the
> aircraft can climb away from an aborted approach, even with one engine
> inoperative (provided the landing gear is still capable of retracting).
>
>    Formulated this way, it actually becomes a design trade-off: either
> fit a
> fuel dump system, or provide some excess thrust. In practice this
> means that
> most long-range airliners have fuel dump systems, while short-range
> aircraft do
> not.
>
>    The foregoing should not be taken as a promotion of overweight
> landings; it
> is just intended to debunk the myth that aircraft fall apart when
> landing
> above Max Landing Weight. Operationally, it is a command decision to
> accept the lesser of two evils: either spend the time to dump fuel or
> burn it
> off, or accept the lower safety factor of an overweight landing.
>
>                                      Kees de Lezenne Coulander
>
>
> C.M. de Lezenne Coulander
> Aircraft Development and Systems Engineering B.V.
> Hoofddorp, the Netherlands

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