Dennis, As usual great points. Yes, this is another "blame the work force" thing that is being trumpeted by the management. Don't get me wrong I am not unionized, and I am against the "not my job" type of attitude. The problem that Clay is referring to could be one case with one station but Clay is saying like it is the problem that is happening all around the industry. I have seen United F/As help with the cabin order, they are also helping collect whatever is in the aircraft so that they won't need cleaners for the next flight. This reduces the need for the cleaning people after each flight, and helps them with a quicker turn around. But, there is a limit.. As Al and myself pointed out, the job of a flight deck personnel doesn't end when the wheels touch the ground. I have friends in regional airlines that they are having hard time finding time to go to the terminal to grab a bite with the quick turn arounds they have to do.. Believe me, F/As, ramp rats, pilots (except some high and mighty ones) are already squeezed enough with these work rule changes. I would like to see the VPs take their own trash too.. BAHA Fan of Karl Marx :) -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis W Zeuch Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 10:17 AM To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Speaking of Unions damiross2@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > If > >the flight crew decides to help out to get the plane out on-time, the > >union files a grievance because non-union people were doing union work. > Then management would make it the F/A's job to always clean the planes and fire all the cleaners. If you're a cleaner and lose your job---it really doesnt matter much to you how well the company does. Do the 'hundreds of management office workers' clean their own offices? Lavs? empty their own trash each night? Why not? Would help the company save money.....