Re: Speaking of Unions

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I'm sorry Baha, it is that simple

If the duties of the flight crew are finished, they should be able to
help clean the plane to get it off on-time. Period. In the case of the
airline where my friend works, he says, a lot of the time every one
there is standing around doing nothing while the plane is not being
cleaned.  So everyone else is ready to go, but they can't and the plane
is late. Situations like this should not exist.

Clay - SEA
-----Original Message-----
From: Bahadir Acuner [mailto:bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: Speaking of Unions

Clay,
It is not that simple. People are playing Monday morning qbs in terms of
how
to run an airline. If you are shooting for a quick turn around 20-30
minutes
let's say the job of flight attendants and pilots doesn't end when they
open
the door at the gate.

Pilots do have a lot of paperwork duties that they have to complete post
flight and a lot more to finish for the next flight. In this day and age
they are even having hard time going into the terminal and getting
something
to eat. That becomes very crucial when you are flying 4-5 legs a day.

Same goes with flight attendants, they have to greet the pax , they have
to
deal with catering, doing safety checks..

So, yes it would be nice for all those people to clean the airplanes,
but it
shouldn't be in expense of the other duties that they have..

BAHA
Fan of sensible work environment..

-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Clay
Wardlow
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 7:21 AM
To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Speaking of Unions

My original gripe about this union stuff is this:

The plane is ready to be cleaned for the next group of pax, the flight
crew is ready, and the gate crew is ready to start boarding. Everyone's
waiting around for the union people to get there to clean the plane. If
the flight crew decides to help out to get the plane out on-time, the
union files a grievance because non-union people were doing union work.
That makes no sense to me. Zero. Let's all work for the greater good,
people. Planes get off on-time helps over-all performance of the
company. It's not that hard to figure out.

Clay in SEA

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan9 [mailto:exatc@xxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Speaking of Unions

3-9-5. ANTICIPATING SEPARATION

Takeoff clearance needs not be withheld until prescribed separation
exists
if there is a reasonable assurance it will exist when the aircraft
starts
takeoff roll.

3-9-6. SAME RUNWAY SEPARATION

Separate a departing aircraft from a preceding departing or arriving
aircraft using the same runway by ensuring that it does not begin
takeoff
roll until:

  a. The other aircraft has departed and crossed the runway end or
turned to
avert any conflict. If you can determine distances by reference to
suitable
landmarks, the other aircraft needs only be airborne if the following
minimum distance exists between aircraft: (See FIG 3-9-1 and FIG 3-9-2.)

    1. When only Category I aircraft are involved- 3,000 feet.

    2. When a Category I aircraft is preceded by a Category II aircraft-
3,000 feet.

    3. When either the succeeding or both are Category II aircraft-
    4,500 feet.

    4. When either is a Category III aircraft- 6,000 feet.

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