In a message dated 12/2/2003 8:23:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, exatc@xxxxxxxxxx writes: << DFW uses several physical control towers >> Yeah, they have like 4, right? They also still have their TRACON in house, unlike they have done in LA with the "all-eggs" policy at So Cal that proved to be a bit short sighted when the wildfires threatened Miramar. I was actually watching something on it that was talking about the "new technology" that the Bush government wants to use to limit and privatize ATC, turns out that they have to turn it off most of the time because it screws up so often.