In a message dated 8/12/2003 5:25:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gjmck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: << I don't know your background so I have no idea of what you do or don't know. Some of your other posts indicate a degree of ignorance of various aspects of airline/aviation matters. You'd be a rare person if you knew everything about aviation. Nobody else on the list does (except Poon, maybe!) So, now we are 14 years old? If you really want to get into this, you don't seem to know too much about politics, and the degree of ignorance in your political statements seems to say something Grant. You may work for high and mighty Qantas, but I am an active poltical scientist who happens to know something about airplanes and airlines and loves them even more. I don't think I know everything about aviation, and have never made that claim. Then again, you sit in your little box at Kingsford Smith and snipe at me any chance you get. Raped in LA eh? You keep banging on about having lower fares, do you know how much it actually costs to fly a seat from A to B. >> All I know is that my friends in Australia have bought tickets on QF MEL-LAX and SYD-LAX for about 500 US. The lowest I can get, even with hotwire, is over 800. That is a huge difference, but then again, I am an idiot and probably cannot do math anyway