In a message dated 6/26/2003 10:23:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, damiross2@xxxxxxxxx writes: << I'm going out on a limb and saying you are talking about DEN's proposed 16,000 feet runway. >> I am talking about DEN's runway, and do over and unders count because that means Camarillo (CMA/KCMA) has a 10,500 ft runway (they only use about 6500)