In a message dated 6/24/2003 12:36:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx writes: << Meither, they are RJ85s . Yes, they have the "big airline" feeling and they are my fav. commuter/regional aircraft from pax perspe >> I want to fly one of these for 3 reasons. One, to get a new plane in the log. Two, They are odd looking and that is interesting. Three, I want to see if these things really are the next best thing to a Harrier for take off performance