I'm aware of the improvements Boeing made to the 744 but it is not a new aircraft. It is a partial redesign of an older model. We might just have to agree to disagree on this one. Grant QF SYD At 12:42 AM 24/06/03 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/23/2003 4:01:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >gjmck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > ><< I don't consider the B744 a new aircraft. It's a variant of an design > that's over thirty years old. It may have a new type of wing and new > engines but it is still essentially a 1960s design. The A380 is a totally > new aircraft as is the B777 but the B744 definitely is not. >> > >The 744 also has new materials making it lighter yet bigger, a 2 person EFIS >Cockpit and millions of other differences. It is like calling a 737-800 the >same plane as a stovepipe -100. Not even close, except for the weird rudder >design. The A380 could be called a big A320 (look at it), considering all the >commonality that Airbus says they have