Hey Jose, I happen to know George Storer (had lunch with him the other day). Let me know what Northeast info you might be interested in and I will be happy to pass it on to him. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of B787300@xxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:54 PM To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Northeast service from MIA to LAX (was Re: Sports Charters (was Whose 727... I wish some former Northeast old-timer were on the list to give us more information about the operations back then. One interesting thing that I read on a website after a Google search of "northeast airlines routes" was that Northeast was the launch customer for the B727-200 - I don't recall reading that before. George B. Storer, a Miami communications magnate who owned TV and radio stations, including his namesake WGBS-AM in Miami, invested heavily in Northeast so they could build up their fleet. Jose Prize Fan of history In a message dated 6/10/2003 12:14:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, damiross2@xxxxxxxxx writes: > Subj: Re: Northeast service from MIA to LAX (was Re: Sports Charters (was > Whose 727?)) > Date: 6/10/2003 12:14:22 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:damiross2@xxxxxxxxx";>damiross2@xxxxxxxxx</A> > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > You're right, Joe, about the FLL versus MIA. > > Northeast did operated from MIA to LAX. I was thinking of the proposed > merger > with NW. Northwest had originally wanted to merge with NE but the CAB would > not allow the MIA/LAX route to be part of the merger so that merger was > called > off. > > I remember reading something about the NE MIA/LAX service - it was operated > nonstop with a reduced payload so it could be done nonstop. Granted, it > still > may have had times when it had to stop enroute westbound but I don't think > it > would have been that common, especially in the summer time. > > David > >I evidently missed the sports charter intention in the sentence that said > the > >727 could fly anywhere in the USA to anywhere in the USA non-stop (I > presume > >they're not counting Alaska and Hawaii). > > > >While Northeast may have used the longer-range B727-100 series they still > had > >to make numerous fuel stops enroute to the West Coast due to the jet > stream. > >However, I don't believe Northeast ever served the market from Ft. > Lauderdale > >as you state. Northeast existed during the days of CAB regulation and the > >CAB awarded the southern transcontinental non-stop route authority from MIA > to > >California on September 23, 1969. MIA means MIA, not FLL, as the CAB was > very > >specific in their regulations. > > > >While Northeast timetables may say "Ft. Lauderdale/Miami" the service was > >operated from MIA. Back in those days there was very little service to FLL > >relatively speaking and most of the airlines used "Ft. Lauderdale/Miami" in > >their > >timetables, with a "M" for Miami and a "F" in the actual flight schedules > to > >distinguish where the flight actually arrived and departed. The last CAB > route > >book that I have doesn't show any authorized routes from FLL to California > and > >it would be extremely odd for an authorized route to disappear once > awarded. > >I don't believe FLL ever had any scheduled non-stop service to California > >until the 90's. > > > >Jose Prize > >Fan of accuracy > > >