"Southwest Airlines Co. ("Southwest") is a major domestic airline that provides predominantly shorthaul, high-frequency, POINT-TO-POINT, low-fare service." (From annual form 10-K as filed with the SEC; emphasis are mine). The only reason it may appear to have hubs is due to the number of flights it conducts between different cities. You're just as likely to connect in PDX or BNA as your are in PHX or MDW. Smaller hubs failed because the were redundant. I don't consider PIT to be a smaller hub because of US but do agree that RDU and CMH are smaller hubs. RDU was a stupid place for AA to put a hub because they had another mini-hub at BNA. SLC could use another carrier but not as a hub. WN had a big presence there. It would be great if more airlines followed WN's example and placed point-to-point flights between non-hub cities. It makes for some really strange routes such as BOI to OAK via SEA on AS or SAT to ELP via DFW. O&D may be good for a hub but as I've mentioned, it's not good for the consumer. Fares from CLT, CVG, DTW, and PIT, for example, are higher because they are, for all practical purposes, one airline towns. (US, DL, NW, and US respectively) BTW, Alireza, glad you are here. Finally, there's some good discussion going on rather than just seemingly endless press releases and news articles. David R. http://home.attbi.com/~damiross http://www.secure-skies.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alireza Alivandivafa" <DEmocrat2n@xxxxxxx> To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [AIRLINE] Northwest adding nonstop flights from Milwaukee to major cities > I agree on the no hubs thing, though a lot of WN's ops could be considered > hubs. They even set up flights as connections and multi-stops, as we all > know. PHX, LAS, BWI, OAK, LAX, MDW are all examples. > Hasn't the failures of a lot of small hubs (PIT, RDU, CMH) shown that the > bigger cities are better? I understand your argument, and it has some > empirical bite, but I think O&D is needed to feed. That is why DEN, aside > from how much money has been wasted there by the airport commission, is such > a good hub. I also think there is room for another op at SLC, considering > that DL is the only hub there