Re: AC/CP's 737s Was: YVR - Cubana?

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Canadian North became Air Norterra, that's correct.

Mike Gammon

>
> From: Matthew Montano <mmontano@direct.ca>
> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:28:01 -0800
> To: The Airline List <airline@listserv.cuny.edu>,
>  Mike Gammon <jmgammon@sympatico.ca>
> Subject: AC/CP's 737s Was: YVR - Cubana?
>
> Did any go to (or back to) Canada North, or is that the old name for
> Air Norterra?
>
> Jetz has one or two.
>
> I was surprised they took some over to Tango. I thought the goal was
> Canada 3000-like charter service across Canada? Based on AC's labour
> costs and the operating costs of a 737, unless you were running it as
> hard as a SouthWest might, you can't squeeze any pennies out of it.
>
> Matthew
>
> On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 07:04  PM, Mike Gammon wrote:
>
> > These are the AC 737s still shown in the fleet as mainline AC:
> >
> > C-GCPN 737-217 (ex-CP)
> > C-GCPT 737-217 (ex-CP)
> > C-GQCP 737-217 (ex-CP)
> > C-GKCP 737-217 (ex-CP)
> > C-FACP 737-2L9ER (ex-CP)
> > C-GRPW 737-275 (ex-PWA)
> > C-GWPW 737-275 (ex-PWA)
> >
> > Of the 44 still shown on the AC fleet at
> > http://www.canairradio.com/fleet.html, apart from the 6 noted above,
> > 12 are
> > listed as out of service/broken up/in storage/ferried for storage.
> > That
> > leaves 26 active, with 6 in AC mainline service and 20 ferried out to
> > Zip,
> > Tango or Air Norterra.  Info up to date as of Feb. 25.
> >
> > Note that the fleet info on this site is updated fairly regularly.
> >
> > Mike "misses the DC-9s" Gammon
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matthew Montano" <mmontano@direct.ca>
> > To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: YVR - Cubana?
> >
> >
> >> By the end of CP, I think they owned about one 737-200, the rest were
> >> leased or leveraged.
> >>
> >> Of the 52 odd 737s that CP had at the end are scattered about, one is
> >> on blocks by the YVR South Terminal being prepared to be sunk as an
> >> artificial reef.
> >>
> >> I haven't seen a 'pure' 737-200 AC in mainline service for several
> >> months now.
> >>
> >> While Westjet and AC compete in the marketplace, they make the
> >> relationship between United and AA look down right cosy. AC had an
> >> un-written policy to try and avoid their aircraft discards going into
> >> competition against them, so I doubt AC sold WestJet 737s. (AC was
> >> also
> >> very scared about their mint condition DC-9s.) I'm sure they've
> >> extended this to WestJet.
> >>
> >> I believe that although you can buy a ticket from AC with virtually
> >> any
> >> airline on the world on it, you can't get one with a WestJet segment
> >> on
> >> it (and visa-versa.) This is beyond not offering connecting baggage
> >> service, but ticketing.
> >>
> >> Matthew
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 06:43  PM, Mike Gammon wrote:
> >>
> >>> They have two 737-275s, which would be ex-PWA machines.  Not sure if
> >>> they
> >>> came in via Air Canada, or were previously on the market before being
> >>> picked
> >>> up by Westjet.  AC's 737s have gone to Zip, Tango, AC Jetz or Air
> >>> Norterra.
> >>> A very small number still fly for mainline Air Canada.
> >>>
> >>> Mike Gammon
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Mark" <mgreenwood@telus.net>
> >>> To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:44 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: YVR - Cubana?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I don't think that AC sold any 737s to Westjet.  I think they
> >>>> transferred
> >>>> them to ZIP.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Liam Tully" <lrtully@sprint.ca>
> >>>> To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:58 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: YVR - Cubana?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> It does not look like an IL-76 to me Matthew - will get a closer
> >>>>> look
> >>>> later
> >>>>> today,
> >>>>> and hopefully the reg.. Hope it's still there! I wonder if the
> >>>>> I.O.C.
> >>>> folks
> >>>>> are using it?
> >>>>> Surely it's not here for MTCE at AC/MTU....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Those VERY noisy deps. are old CP 737's now in the WJ fleet - I
> >>>>> think!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Liam.
> >>>>> YVR.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Matthew Montano" <mmontano@direct.ca>
> >>>>> To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:40 PM
> >>>>> Subject: YVR - Cubana?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Do Cubana IL-76s (is that what they are?) make regular visits to
> >>>>>> Vancouver?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Where I usually see a surplus CP/AC 737 about to be 'painted' into
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> latest Zip/Tango/AC scheme there was a (rather beautiful) Cubana
> >>>>>> jet.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If these have been regular visits as of late, that would explain
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> extremely noisy departures I've heard while standing in the
> >>>>>> parking
> >>> lot
> >>>>>> of Lansdowne Mall a mile or two away.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any insight?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Matthew
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>

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