Canadian North became Air Norterra, that's correct. Mike Gammon > > From: Matthew Montano <mmontano@direct.ca> > Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:28:01 -0800 > To: The Airline List <airline@listserv.cuny.edu>, > Mike Gammon <jmgammon@sympatico.ca> > Subject: AC/CP's 737s Was: YVR - Cubana? > > Did any go to (or back to) Canada North, or is that the old name for > Air Norterra? > > Jetz has one or two. > > I was surprised they took some over to Tango. I thought the goal was > Canada 3000-like charter service across Canada? Based on AC's labour > costs and the operating costs of a 737, unless you were running it as > hard as a SouthWest might, you can't squeeze any pennies out of it. > > Matthew > > On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 07:04 PM, Mike Gammon wrote: > > > These are the AC 737s still shown in the fleet as mainline AC: > > > > C-GCPN 737-217 (ex-CP) > > C-GCPT 737-217 (ex-CP) > > C-GQCP 737-217 (ex-CP) > > C-GKCP 737-217 (ex-CP) > > C-FACP 737-2L9ER (ex-CP) > > C-GRPW 737-275 (ex-PWA) > > C-GWPW 737-275 (ex-PWA) > > > > Of the 44 still shown on the AC fleet at > > http://www.canairradio.com/fleet.html, apart from the 6 noted above, > > 12 are > > listed as out of service/broken up/in storage/ferried for storage. > > That > > leaves 26 active, with 6 in AC mainline service and 20 ferried out to > > Zip, > > Tango or Air Norterra. Info up to date as of Feb. 25. > > > > Note that the fleet info on this site is updated fairly regularly. > > > > Mike "misses the DC-9s" Gammon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew Montano" <mmontano@direct.ca> > > To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:52 PM > > Subject: Re: YVR - Cubana? > > > > > >> By the end of CP, I think they owned about one 737-200, the rest were > >> leased or leveraged. > >> > >> Of the 52 odd 737s that CP had at the end are scattered about, one is > >> on blocks by the YVR South Terminal being prepared to be sunk as an > >> artificial reef. > >> > >> I haven't seen a 'pure' 737-200 AC in mainline service for several > >> months now. > >> > >> While Westjet and AC compete in the marketplace, they make the > >> relationship between United and AA look down right cosy. AC had an > >> un-written policy to try and avoid their aircraft discards going into > >> competition against them, so I doubt AC sold WestJet 737s. (AC was > >> also > >> very scared about their mint condition DC-9s.) I'm sure they've > >> extended this to WestJet. > >> > >> I believe that although you can buy a ticket from AC with virtually > >> any > >> airline on the world on it, you can't get one with a WestJet segment > >> on > >> it (and visa-versa.) This is beyond not offering connecting baggage > >> service, but ticketing. > >> > >> Matthew > >> > >> On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 06:43 PM, Mike Gammon wrote: > >> > >>> They have two 737-275s, which would be ex-PWA machines. Not sure if > >>> they > >>> came in via Air Canada, or were previously on the market before being > >>> picked > >>> up by Westjet. AC's 737s have gone to Zip, Tango, AC Jetz or Air > >>> Norterra. > >>> A very small number still fly for mainline Air Canada. > >>> > >>> Mike Gammon > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Mark" <mgreenwood@telus.net> > >>> To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:44 PM > >>> Subject: Re: YVR - Cubana? > >>> > >>> > >>>> I don't think that AC sold any 737s to Westjet. I think they > >>>> transferred > >>>> them to ZIP. > >>>> > >>>> Mark > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Liam Tully" <lrtully@sprint.ca> > >>>> To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:58 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: YVR - Cubana? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> It does not look like an IL-76 to me Matthew - will get a closer > >>>>> look > >>>> later > >>>>> today, > >>>>> and hopefully the reg.. Hope it's still there! I wonder if the > >>>>> I.O.C. > >>>> folks > >>>>> are using it? > >>>>> Surely it's not here for MTCE at AC/MTU.... > >>>>> > >>>>> Those VERY noisy deps. are old CP 737's now in the WJ fleet - I > >>>>> think! > >>>>> > >>>>> Liam. > >>>>> YVR. > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Matthew Montano" <mmontano@direct.ca> > >>>>> To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:40 PM > >>>>> Subject: YVR - Cubana? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Do Cubana IL-76s (is that what they are?) make regular visits to > >>>>>> Vancouver? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Where I usually see a surplus CP/AC 737 about to be 'painted' into > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> latest Zip/Tango/AC scheme there was a (rather beautiful) Cubana > >>>>>> jet. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If these have been regular visits as of late, that would explain > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> extremely noisy departures I've heard while standing in the > >>>>>> parking > >>> lot > >>>>>> of Lansdowne Mall a mile or two away. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Any insight? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Matthew > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > >