I am pretty sure I have seen a 737 in Tango livery. Mark -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of Matthew Montano Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:28 PM To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: AC/CP's 737s Was: YVR - Cubana? Did any go to (or back to) Canada North, or is that the old name for Air Norterra? Jetz has one or two. I was surprised they took some over to Tango. I thought the goal was Canada 3000-like charter service across Canada? Based on AC's labour costs and the operating costs of a 737, unless you were running it as hard as a SouthWest might, you can't squeeze any pennies out of it. Matthew On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 07:04 PM, Mike Gammon wrote: > These are the AC 737s still shown in the fleet as mainline AC: > > C-GCPN 737-217 (ex-CP) > C-GCPT 737-217 (ex-CP) > C-GQCP 737-217 (ex-CP) > C-GKCP 737-217 (ex-CP) > C-FACP 737-2L9ER (ex-CP) > C-GRPW 737-275 (ex-PWA) > C-GWPW 737-275 (ex-PWA) > > Of the 44 still shown on the AC fleet at > http://www.canairradio.com/fleet.html, apart from the 6 noted above, > 12 are listed as out of service/broken up/in storage/ferried for > storage. That > leaves 26 active, with 6 in AC mainline service and 20 ferried out to > Zip, > Tango or Air Norterra. Info up to date as of Feb. 25. > > Note that the fleet info on this site is updated fairly regularly. > > Mike "misses the DC-9s" Gammon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Montano" <mmontano@direct.ca> > To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: YVR - Cubana? > > >> By the end of CP, I think they owned about one 737-200, the rest were >> leased or leveraged. >> >> Of the 52 odd 737s that CP had at the end are scattered about, one is >> on blocks by the YVR South Terminal being prepared to be sunk as an >> artificial reef. >> >> I haven't seen a 'pure' 737-200 AC in mainline service for several >> months now. >> >> While Westjet and AC compete in the marketplace, they make the >> relationship between United and AA look down right cosy. AC had an >> un-written policy to try and avoid their aircraft discards going into >> competition against them, so I doubt AC sold WestJet 737s. (AC was >> also very scared about their mint condition DC-9s.) I'm sure they've >> extended this to WestJet. >> >> I believe that although you can buy a ticket from AC with virtually >> any airline on the world on it, you can't get one with a WestJet >> segment on >> it (and visa-versa.) This is beyond not offering connecting baggage >> service, but ticketing. >> >> Matthew >> >> On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 06:43 PM, Mike Gammon wrote: >> >>> They have two 737-275s, which would be ex-PWA machines. Not sure if >>> they came in via Air Canada, or were previously on the market before >>> being picked >>> up by Westjet. AC's 737s have gone to Zip, Tango, AC Jetz or Air >>> Norterra. >>> A very small number still fly for mainline Air Canada. >>> >>> Mike Gammon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mark" <mgreenwood@telus.net> >>> To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: YVR - Cubana? >>> >>> >>>> I don't think that AC sold any 737s to Westjet. I think they >>>> transferred them to ZIP. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Liam Tully" <lrtully@sprint.ca> >>>> To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:58 AM >>>> Subject: Re: YVR - Cubana? >>>> >>>> >>>>> It does not look like an IL-76 to me Matthew - will get a closer >>>>> look >>>> later >>>>> today, >>>>> and hopefully the reg.. Hope it's still there! I wonder if the >>>>> I.O.C. >>>> folks >>>>> are using it? >>>>> Surely it's not here for MTCE at AC/MTU.... >>>>> >>>>> Those VERY noisy deps. are old CP 737's now in the WJ fleet - I >>>>> think! >>>>> >>>>> Liam. >>>>> YVR. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Matthew Montano" <mmontano@direct.ca> >>>>> To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:40 PM >>>>> Subject: YVR - Cubana? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Do Cubana IL-76s (is that what they are?) make regular visits to >>>>>> Vancouver? >>>>>> >>>>>> Where I usually see a surplus CP/AC 737 about to be 'painted' >>>>>> into the latest Zip/Tango/AC scheme there was a (rather >>>>>> beautiful) Cubana jet. >>>>>> >>>>>> If these have been regular visits as of late, that would explain >>>>>> the extremely noisy departures I've heard while standing in the >>>>>> parking >>> lot >>>>>> of Lansdowne Mall a mile or two away. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any insight? >>>>>> >>>>>> Matthew >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003