I will have to go 60% with unions on the UAL issue. UAL has been shooting itself on the foot for so many years since the stock hit $170s or so. If you think about it, the company hasn't been focusing on the core business since 1998 or so with so many purchases, and plans of purchase, including USAirways purchase and the fractional program. Lets not forget that the company was trying to make a buck on the mechanics and flight attendants back for many years when the economy was good by not renewing their contract. The labor relations have been extremely bad since the ESOP which didn't help anyone a bit. You can be employee owned, and you can brag about it all the time, but if that doesn't produce any good impact on employee bottomline and moreale, then what's the use? Unfortunately, the pilots reaction was really bad on the business customer who diverted to AA and other biz traveller friendly airline. Another unfortunate thing is, the airline industry is going through the same things that retail industry is going through. Have ever met a happy WalMart or K-Mart employee? Yet, they are such good stores and they really provide value to the customers. The same thing is happening to the airline industry. I am not talking about the JetBlue, or AirTran or Southwest effect, but I am talking about more and more "Regional" airlines stepping in. People who work for these airlines are the one who make pennies on the dollar compared to their regional partners, all the way from the ramp rats to their pilots. BAHA ACUNER - CFI,CFII,MEI www.bahadiracuner.com