-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg, Very, very well said. Regards, David (not the one refered to below) On Sunday 08 Dec 2002 9:37 pm, Greg Newbold wrote: > David, > > You're an emotional writer but I'm on Baha's side in this one. As a well > trained firearms instructor, the thought of most people carrying firearms > scares me and "most people" includes pilots. If the pilot keeps the weapon > in the aircraft I'll accept that reluctantly, but hopefully they'll be > arrested immediately when carrying their weapons from the aircraft. > You are simply incorrect if you believe the availability of guns is a > factor in reducing crime. We have the highest violent crime rate in the > industrialized world and hundreds of millions of firearms so you may deduce > availability of firearms has the effect of contributing to the high crime > rate. > Because a few zealots citing Islamic beliefs attacked us doesn't mean > Islam isn't a religion of peace any more than Christianity is a religion of > peace after we killed 100,000 Iraqi, 4 million SE Asians, tens of thousands > of Palestinians, 100,000 using weapons of mass destruction etc. > More logic and common sense will go a lot further than murder.... > > Greg Newbold > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of > damiross2@attbi.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:49 PM > To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU > Subject: Re: No guns for our airline pilots ...... > > > Baha, > What if the pax can't take care of the terrorists in the cabin? Not every > aircraft has a reinforced, bullet proof door yet (believe the deadline is > next > year). What about smaller aircraft without a cockpit door (Cessnas, > Pipers, etc.) There are still many aircraft flying that don't even require > a flight attendant (any aircraft of 19 seats or less). > > BTW: There are studies that prove that when gun ownership goes up, crime > goes > down. Look at Australia - the government made it hard to possess weapons > and > the crime rate went up. > > As an aside, my personal opinion is that we stop pussyfooting around with > Iraq, > Iran, etc., tell them that the next time one of their countrymen do a > terrorist > act against us, they will be bombed out of existance - no ifs, ands, or > buts! > Islam - a religion of peace my ass! > David Ross > > > Easy Joe, > > US is not the only country that has been hit by terrorism and you know > > that. > > > Let's keep the subject confined to the guns in the cockpit. > > Unfortunately, who ever came up with this, is thinking retroactively. > > Look at the incidence with El AL flying to Istanbul and how the terrorist > > was subdued by the pax and the security guard. > > > > Look at the ShoeBomber case, and see how pax and the F/As pulled together > > and subdued him. I 'm all in favor of the fortified cockpit doors as that > > will isolate the flight crew at the cockpit, help them to concentrate on > > what they are supposed to do : fly the airplane. > > > > The pax will take care if any other kind of perpetrator in the cabin, > > believe me. > > > > And the saddest part is terrorists are out smarting us once again. They > > knew they couldn't get in the Arkia flight out of Kenya, and they used > > the shoulder fired missiles. Do you think that the guns in the cockpit > > used by pilots would help? > > > > I just don't see the reason why we should arm ourselves to the teeth when > > we're the ONLY Western nation in the World that is already armed like > > the cowboys in western movies.. > > > > BAHA ACUNER - CFI,CFII,MEI > > Fan of spaghetti westerns > > www.bahadiracuner.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of > > www.joepries.com > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:07 PM > > To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU > > Subject: Re: No guns for our airline pilots ...... > > > > > > David, > > Lets try this- we'll have some terrorists hijack 2 BA 767s and 2 757s, > > crash > > > 2 of the 767s into downtown London, have a 757 crash in a field on the > > countryside and another one crash into buckingham palace. Then we'll see > > about being unpopular pal. BRING ON THE FIREPOWER. The only way to deal > > with terrorists on commercial airliners is one- kill them where they > > stand. > > > G-d Bless America and our rights to protect ourselves > > Joe > > > > > > "David J. Wallace" <> wrote: > > > > Can't think why the US is so unpopular around the world when people spout > > phrases like 'bring on the firepower' as freely as some do. > > > > ----- > > > > > > Joe Pries Commercial Aviation Photography > > Serving the airline industry with quality photography > > AOL IM AIRLINE72 > > http://www.joepries.com > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE988YEKsvwCXwmAPgRAq7UAJ90uECnEjaXMbVwislTVAJyax+bVwCfdQGS 8cstHKWxOuZHe+hFn12s0AA= =jauf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----