....Whoa, Jump back....JP, Gee Whiz, sounds like we all should be an armed camp according to you. But then again you live in New Yawk where guns are a fact of life (and death). I know one damn thing, If I owned a gun (I am one of the very FEW people who Don't own a gun in Forsyth County GA), I would probably shoot myself in the foot trying to use it. Bryant Petitt Cumming, GA --- "www.joepries.com" <airlinephoto@yahoo.com> wrote: > Baha, to you and mrs: "We want that individual to > focus on being a pilot, not a law enforcement > officer," Mr. Collenette said -I say this: > I feel sorry for you or your family if you are ever > on a commercial flight and terrorists with box > cutters take it over and want to crash it and they > end up stabbing your pilots to death, but if they > had a gun the pilots could have shot them dead. > (ofcourse i hope this never happens to you but you > get my point) > bring on the firepower, 9/11- NEVER AGAIN > Joe > Bahadir Acuner <bahadiracuner@yahoo.com> wrote:Why > do I love Canada more and more??? > I guess it's true that Canada is Soviet Canakistan > as > Buchanan called it :) > > BAHA ACUNER - CFI,CFII,MEI > Fan of flying in a non weapon cockpit > www.bahadiracuner.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Airline List > [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of > Roger James > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:03 AM > To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU > Subject: No guns for our airline pilots ...... > > > No guns for our airline pilots ...Collenette firmly > shoots down idea of > arming crews to deter terrorists > Glen McGregor The Ottawa Citizen Tuesday, December > 03, 2002 > > Transport Minister David Collenette yesterday doused > any possibility of > arming Canadian airline pilots and said he is > concerned about U.S. pilots > flying into Canada carrying guns. Under a law that > came into force last > month, American pilots will be allowed to carry > firearms in the cockpit on > a voluntary basis, once they are properly trained > and certified. The rule > also applies to international routes, which means > pilots could be armed on > flights arriving in Canada from the U.S. But Mr. > Collenette says that there > are "cultural differences" between the U.S. and > Canada over guns and says > he stands "totally opposed" to putting pistols in > pilots' hands. "We want > that individual to focus on being a pilot, not a law > enforcement officer," > Mr. Collenette said during testimony before a Senate > committee studying > airline security. "What's the next step, arming bus > drivers, subway > drivers, taxi drivers? Pretty soon we're going to > end up with a firearms > regime very much like our American friends. I would > say we have a better > society here because we have stricter gun > enforcement laws." But Mr. > Collenette will have to address the topic in > discussions with counterparts > in the U.S. administration because of the border > issues the new law creates. > > Currently, peace officers from the U.S. -- including > the undercover air > marshals -- can carry weapons into Canada under a > memo-of-understanding, > but Mr. Collenette said he does not consider pilots > to be peace officers. > He says Transport Canada will have to negotiate an > agreement with the U.S. > Transportation Security Administration, which will > run the program. "We > cannot prevent U.S. carriers from having pilots that > are armed flying over > Canada or to Canada," he said. "But the moment that > plane lands on Canadian > soil, the plane and crew are subject to Canadian > law." But the lobby group > that led the drive to arm pilots in the U.S. says it > believes that pilots > could be included under existing agreements because > the pilots who > volunteer for the program will become deputized as > federal flight deck > officers under the same jurisdiction as air > marshals. "We would anticipate > the same sort of requirements for our federal air > marshals would apply to > our pilots as well," said Capt. Marc Feigenblatt of > the Airline Pilots > Security Alliance. Provisions could also be made to > have the pilots stow > their weapons either in an airport armoury or in a > locked safe in the > aircraft, as air marshals currently do in some > countries, Capt. Feigenblatt > said. > The pilots will likely be carrying heavy artillery > when they come: There > are two weapons under consideration for use -- the > SigSauer P229, a .357 > pistol currently used by air marshals, and the Glock > 23, a .40 calibre > pistol popular in police forces. > Capt. Feigenblatt estimates as many as 60 per cent > of all U.S. pilots will > volunteer for the program. With two pilots flying > most aircraft, that > percentage will put a gun in every cockpit on > average. > > The level of support appears weaker among Canadian > aviators. The Air Canada > Pilots Association recently polled its members and > found that a majority > did not want guns. But many felt they would like to > have the option of > carrying non-lethal weapons such as Tasers, which > discharge an > incapacitating but harmless electric shock. The > union would prefer to see a > double-door system installed in cockpits to keep > intruders out. The other > major pilots union, the Canadian wing of the Air > Line Pilots Association, > is also lukewarm to the idea. "In Canada we don't > feel this is an issue > culturally, nor security-wise is it a requirement," > said ALPA's Art > Laflamme. "It's not something we're pursuing right > now." In his testimony > to the Senate committee on National Security and > Defence, Mr. Collenette > noted that he had also shown similarly strong > opposition to the idea of > Canadian air marshals program in the weeks following > the terrorist strikes > on the U.S. But Canada was forced by the U.S. > Federal Aviation > Administration to start putting armed RCMP officers > on flights into Reagan > National Airport in Washington, D.C., and the > program was later expanded to > other select international and domestic flights > originating in Canada. "In > a civil society, surely we should be ensuring the > security is tough so > (terrorists) don't get on planes and objects don't > get stowed and the > cockpit is secure," he said yesterday. > > > The owner of Roger's Trinbago Site: > Roj (Roger James) > *************************************************** > escape email mailto:ejames@escape.ca > Trinbago site: http://www.tntisland.com > CBC Website > http://www.tntisland.com/caribbeanbrassconnection/ > The Trinbago Site of the Week: > (Island Events) http://www.islandevents.com > (Island Events) > courtesy of Roj Trinbago Website & TnT Web Directory > Roj's Trinbago Website: http://www.tntisland.com > TnT Web Directory: http://search.co.tt > ********************************************************* > > Joe Pries Commercial Aviation Photography > Serving the airline industry with quality > photography > AOL IM AIRLINE72 > http://www.joepries.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. 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