Easy Joe, US is not the only country that has been hit by terrorism and you know that. Let's keep the subject confined to the guns in the cockpit. Unfortunately, who ever came up with this, is thinking retroactively. Look at the incidence with El AL flying to Istanbul and how the terrorist was subdued by the pax and the security guard. Look at the ShoeBomber case, and see how pax and the F/As pulled together and subdued him. I 'm all in favor of the fortified cockpit doors as that will isolate the flight crew at the cockpit, help them to concentrate on what they are supposed to do : fly the airplane. The pax will take care if any other kind of perpetrator in the cabin, believe me. And the saddest part is terrorists are out smarting us once again. They knew they couldn't get in the Arkia flight out of Kenya, and they used the shoulder fired missiles. Do you think that the guns in the cockpit used by pilots would help? I just don't see the reason why we should arm ourselves to the teeth when we're the ONLY Western nation in the World that is already armed like the cowboys in western movies.. BAHA ACUNER - CFI,CFII,MEI Fan of spaghetti westerns www.bahadiracuner.com -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of www.joepries.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:07 PM To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: No guns for our airline pilots ...... David, Lets try this- we'll have some terrorists hijack 2 BA 767s and 2 757s, crash 2 of the 767s into downtown London, have a 757 crash in a field on the countryside and another one crash into buckingham palace. Then we'll see about being unpopular pal. BRING ON THE FIREPOWER. The only way to deal with terrorists on commercial airliners is one- kill them where they stand. G-d Bless America and our rights to protect ourselves Joe "David J. Wallace" <katana.flyer@telinco.co.uk> wrote: Can't think why the US is so unpopular around the world when people spout phrases like 'bring on the firepower' as freely as some do. ----- Joe Pries Commercial Aviation Photography Serving the airline industry with quality photography AOL IM AIRLINE72 http://www.joepries.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now