Re: NYTimes.com Article: Doomed Planes Tried to Avoid Collison

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John,
Unless they have made some radical improvements since I retired TCAS doesn't
communicate with the controllers.  Don't they use flight progress strips?
It would seem as though the strip postings would have shown a potential
conflict before the controler even worked the aircraft. DoDo just doesn't
happen.

Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kurtzke" <kurtzke@up.edu>
To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com Article: Doomed Planes Tried to Avoid Collison


> Does TCAS communicate with ATC? If not, this crash makes it look like it
> should. What is the sense of a system figuring out what the two planes
> should do, tell each other, and not tell ATC automatically.
>
> john
>
> On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, Grant McKenzie wrote:
>
> > Hi Scotty,
> >
> > Long time no natter.
> >
> > It's sounding more and more like the Swiss ATC guy screwed up. Or, more
> > accurately, the system screwed up and the poor sod up the sharp end was
> > left wearing it.  A mate of mine who was over in Geneva for a ATC
> > conference a couple of years back and was taken to the ATC simulator
> > which also takes a live feed from Eurocontrol, including the sector in
> > question and he said it is a hellishly complicated piece of airspace.
> >
> >
> > Grant
> > SYD
> > QF
> >
> > Scotty wrote:
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Grant McKenzie" <grantmckenzie@optushome.com.au>
> > > To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 11:55 AM
> > > Subject: Re: NYTimes.com Article: Doomed Planes Tried to Avoid
Collison
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>When I worked in ATC, a command from the ground was supposed to have
> > >>priority.  I would imagine Bashkirian Airlines (if their chief
> > >>pilot/regulatory overseer were doing their job properly and, with all
> > >>due respect to Scotty's passions on the subject of all things Russian,
> > >>I'm not convinced was a given) would have a compliance instruction
> > >>written into their operations manuals.
> > >>
> > >
> > > It is written into their manual from what I was told by a Tu-154
navigator.
> > > KrasAir has it written into their ops manual, and he told me that it
appears
> > > that BAL has it written into theirs as well. This is why I stated that
> > > Russian officials were 100% correct.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> --
> John F. Kurtzke, C.S.C.
> Department of Mathematics
> 278 Buckley Center
> University of Portland
> Portland, OR  97203
> 503-943-7377
> kurtzke@up.edu
>

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