----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant McKenzie" <grantmckenzie@optushome.com.au> > They still have navigators?!?! Do you mean engineers? Even that's a > bit archaic. Nope....navigator. Tu-154s have 2 "pilots" and a flight engineer, with provisions for a navigator if needed. KrasAir still uses navigators on some of their flights, mainly within the CIS. Other airlines would no doubt follow suit as well. Might seem somewhat "archaic" but hey, that is how things are done in some countries around the world. Has the bonus of providing employment as well I suppose :))