Dennis, I am trying to determine how best to restore airlines to profitability. If you're suggesting Boeing should lower their prices for their goods so that airline labor costs levels can remain the same is unrealistic. I understand the plight of the working stiff...that's why the question...How do you return the airline to profitability...that's in the best interests of the employees, shareholders, suppliers, passengers etc. What would you recommend management should do? GN -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Dennis W Zeuch Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:00 PM To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: UA Machinists Vote down pay cut. In a message dated 7/10/02 1:06:26 AM !!!First Boot!!!, pnewbold@san.rr.com writes: << If fuel, equipment, landing fees etc are fixed and labor costs cannot be reduced >> Now why would fuel be fixed and labor not? Why would equipment be fixed and labor not? Why would landing fees be a fixed cost and labor not? Think about what you said IMaybe we should consder labor the same as landing fees....fixed? or negiotable ? Same with aircraft costs, fuel costs, rent at airport etc etc etc----nothing is sacred or is it? Big business rules and the workers get the ride in the Kings Elavator...the Royal shaft Dennis