Re: United Air flight attendants reject wage cuts

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Nick and List,

   I support collective bargaining too but that doesn't mean management has
to roll-over and raise salaries beyond the point of what it takes to fill
the position. Flight attendents act professionally but it's a service
position not a professional position in my opinion.
  I would like airline employees on this list to tell me how they expect the
airlines to survive when more money is going out than is coming in? How
would you reduce the massive losses? Fuel, equipment, landing fees etc are
more or less fixed costs. Meals have been reduced/cut, travel agents
commissions are gone, blankets aren't cleaned...where can the airlines cut
costs? Should the employees work together with management to save their
airline?

Greg



-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of
Nick Laflamme
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:39 AM
To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: United Air flight attendants reject wage cuts


At 09:35 PM 6/22/2002 -0700, Greg Newbold wrote:
>    Seems to me the flight attendents may be killing the golden goose.
> Despite the mayhem caused on Sep 11th, I predict unlicensed flight
> attendents could quickly be replaced. Unfortunately they are not in the
> professional league of the pilots and machinists.

First off, what is an "unlicensed flight attendent" and what makes them
unprofessional? Are you referring to the fact that flight attendants don't
need to be certified or licensed to do their jobs, unlike pilots and
machinists? That might broaden the pool of potential applicants, but it's
not like pilots and machinists are in such a constrained labor pool that
they control the marketplace. As far as I can tell, all three job
categories are employers' markets, not applicants' markets.

Furthermore, I don't see why you call flight attendants unprofessional.
While horror stories about bad flight attendants abound, they are as
trained and professional as many occupations. It's not like you can take
any ten people off the street and have them staff the cabin of a 747-400 a
few hours later.

Tradesmen, such as plumbers and carpenters, aren't licensed either. Should
they lose their rights to collective action, too? Coal minors? Are hair
dressers more entitled to strike because some states have "cosmetology
license boards"?

>    IMHO the flight attendents, and all other airline groups, should be
> focusing on the survivability of the airline and preservation of their
> jobs which may include a 5% pay cut. Frankly I suspected management would
> ask for 20% to bring their costs down.

Airline management teams have cried "Wolf" so often, they're losing
credibility. I'm not saying the unions are blameless, nor that they
shouldn't agree to wage concessions, but how quickly would those wage
concessions be restored, compare to other reductions in cost?

>Am I off base?

I think you're being simplistic in your analysis and ignoring the history
of management/union negotiations over the past few decades.

>Greg

Nick

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