That's 35 years before I got mine.. heck I wasn't even born back then.. It is amazing that the plane that I am flying is older than me. (Our PA30 is 1966 model) . What are you flying these days Al? BAHA Fan of nice airplanes being around many many years after their date of manufacture -----Original Message----- From: allan9 [mailto:exatc@neo.rr.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:03 PM To: Bahadir Acuner; airline Subject: Re: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update By the way my initial multi training was in 1965 Al ----- Original Message ----- From: Bahadir Acuner To: allan9 ; airline Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: RE: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update I didn't say that I was doing stalls, just touch and go's .. :) I don't have a problem with the airplane doing stalls at 3000 ft.. Now if you are talking about Vmc demostration, then I think 11,000 feet would be better :) It's an extremely fast airplane. We have all the LoPresti speed modes that you can think about on this bird. I even did 190KTS in a normal descent on this without even coming close to the red line.. I love the airplane, the way it flies, and handles.. Landings are not too bad either.. The thing that amazes me is the fact that we have 160hp on each side and it's normal to get 150-160 kts on the cruise without pushing the airplane too hard.. On the other twin that I have the most of my time with, a PA44, 180 hp on each side was not enough to get to 140 KTs. That makes you appreciate the slick aerodynamics of the PA30 :) Regards, BAHA Fan of having 2 hrs scheduled on PA30 tomorrow.. -----Original Message----- From: allan9 [mailto:exatc@neo.rr.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:21 PM To: The Airline List; Bahadir Acuner Subject: Re: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update You're brave. When I was getting my multi, my instructor wouldn't do a stall unless we were at least 3000AGL. He didn't trust the aircraft at all. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: Bahadir Acuner To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update PA30 -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of allan9 Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 5:33 PM To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update PA30 or PA39? Al ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bahadir Acuner=20 To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU=20 Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update Moses Lake, WA Rwy 14L/32R.. 13502 x 300 feet :) Once I shared a pattern at this = aiport with a JAL 747-400 I was flying our schools Twin Comanche .. BAHA Fan of wathing 747-400 doing touch and goes :) -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of = W Wilson Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:02 AM To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update You can add slightly more for BGR. The total length at BGR is = actually 13,109 with a total usable 11,439 for both take-off and landing = inclusive. http://www.flybangor.com/specs.asp Walter DCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "alexa d lancaster" <adjld14410@yahoo.com> To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:37 Subject: runway lengths SOLVED and DEN update > Hi all, I have done some digging and this is what I found. Thanks = to all who > helped. > > JFK tops at 14572, followed by DFW with 13401, MIA and ORD with = 13000 and the > BGR one, which, depending on the source is 12680. > > I used to live in Denver, and I know that one of the DEN runways now = has an > unofficial "usable" length of 13-something. I remember that = modifications were > made to accommodate the Lufthansa FRT flight United wanted so bad in Denver. > In the thin Denver air in the summer, a full plane cant effectively = take off or > something to that nature was the concern. Also, the new runway at = DEN to come > online in 04 or 15 will top them all at 16,000. > > Alexa > CLE > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > "If you go back to the beginning of this country, the > great strength of America, as de Tocqueville pointed out when he = came here a long time ago, has always been our ability to associate with people = who were different from ourselves and to work together to find common > ground." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards=AE > http://movies.yahoo.com/