In a message dated 1/11/02 11:21:55 AM Central Standard Time, jckelly1011@hotmail.com writes: > I'm not a 717 guru but believe it's due to the avionics issues TWA has > experienced. If there's an avionics problem at the gate, the plane doesn't > have to be towed back into the gate. Still not an efficient way to operate, > though. > JCK > John, I've been on the 717 in a few times, including one ride in the jumpseat. I haven't ever seen them wait at the gate to start, unless it is recent (I haven't been on it in 8 months or so.) I know that it takes about 4-5 minutes for the engine to be fully up and stabilized at idle. Interesting. Jim Proud to be an American, Jim Hann Waterski J-41 Captain STL