trying to clarify a couple things regarding installing/removing by yum group on my fedora 19 system. first, what is the rationale behind "hidden" groups? what's the motivation that some groups (for the case i'm interested in, virtualization) not be user visible? second, if i haven't installed the virtualization group, i can query it and i see: Group: Virtualization Group-Id: virtualization Description: These packages provide a virtualization environment. Mandatory Packages: +virt-install Default Packages: +libvirt libvirt-daemon-kvm qemu-kvm +virt-manager +virt-viewer Optional Packages: +guestfs-browser +libguestfs-tools +python-libguestfs +virt-top that seems fairly straightforward -- i'm seeing what would happen if i installed that group. '+' means packages that would be installed, while no symbol represents packages that are already installed. and after i install by group, i get: Group: Virtualization Group-Id: virtualization Description: These packages provide a virtualization environment. Mandatory Packages: =virt-install Default Packages: =libvirt libvirt-daemon-kvm qemu-kvm =virt-manager =virt-viewer Optional Packages: -guestfs-browser -libguestfs-tools -python-libguestfs -virt-top where i assume '=' means that package was installed by that group install command, while '-' means not installed (optional). however, if i had installed all those virtualization packages, not with a single group install command but by explicitly installing each package, i would have ended up with: Group: Virtualization Group-Id: virtualization Description: These packages provide a virtualization environment. Mandatory Packages: virt-install Default Packages: libvirt libvirt-daemon-kvm qemu-kvm virt-manager virt-viewer Optional Packages: +guestfs-browser +libguestfs-tools +python-libguestfs +virt-top which would have had the same effect but, i'm guessing, from the perspective of yum, the virtualization group is *not* installed. so, for instance, i can't remove those packages using a "yum groupremove"; i would have to do it explicitly again. do i understand this vaguely correctly? if there's a good explanation of this online, a URL would be dandy, thanks. rday _______________________________________________ Yum mailing list Yum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.baseurl.org/mailman/listinfo/yum