>> Somehow I seem to hear about the broken things more often, though. << Same here. I known the feeling... at best it's: "The new version's been out there for a week. Nobody's called. That's good... right? Oh, I wish somebody'd call." <s> It was also very nice to find a yum.conf sample as a default way to get a single new application. It makes me think that a lot of people are starting to get it. thanks, ck