--=-xlT7ZMskAfHwrIQrF3LT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 15:40, Connie Sieh wrote: > One reason why I selected yum was because it was small and easy and did > not have lots of options which only confuse the users. >=20 > I need a way to update out of date rpms automatically. >=20 > I need a easier way(than downloading via ftp after figuring out > lots of dependencies) for end users to install new rpms. >=20 > I need a way for end users to update out of date rpms. >=20 > Sure there are other things that would be nice. One of those was the > mirroring. So yum did not do it so Troy wrote scripts to do it for us. >=20 so I'm going to respond to rob's comments and your's here: I agree about a simple interface for a user. I don't want to add complexity if it doesn't help me out. I liked yup, from a while back, and I thought the interface was REALLY easy - I just told it what I wanted and it got it - but it wasn't fast and it broke a lot, so yum is fairly fast in comparison and it is less prone to breaking, I think. but its got to continue doing what I want - which is update a bunch of systems easily and allow me to install stuff whenever I want it w/o having to hunt for things. However, I think we can add options w/o adding more work - ie - make the advanced features be just that -advanced - but not required. so I'd like to think someone could continue telling users: yum update yum install [blah blah blah] yum remove [blah blah blah] that I'm cool with and I think that should probably be the default set of arguments but I think rob might have a point - some of those features could be useful - but I think they should be renamed/organized. most of that will involve trying things and seeing what sucks and what doesn't suck and how to keep from breaking people's scripts too badly. Thats why I wanted to have this discussion to see what things should be included so I know what to be worried about. > The question if install should update is a good one. I cannot think of a > reason to not update as the default way of doing it but there may be a > case. One could always install then do a update but then we would have t= o > train the users again. So maybe a switch that only installs but have the > default install option to update if necessary. I think as troy put it was good. yum update - update only - if its not update-able then error out. yum install - update if its installed already, otherwise just install - however, if its installed and current then bail with a "this is installed, you dolt." error.=20 no retraining necessary. To rob's requests: yum ain't going to parse kickstarts.cfg anytime soon, quit dreaming.:) however, I like the idea of a url-retrievable command file. ideally so one could have a "script" of commands that a single yum session would run through. It could speed up multiple-operations tremendously, but there is thinking to be done here, before thats implemented. Regarding dist-version upgrades - I think that can happen - but there might be a couple hangups to making it happen smoothly - right now yum scratches an itch - if its going to have more infrastructure to include things like dist-commands i'd like to sit down and plan out those steps. Connie/Troy: regarding mirroring - tell me again the situation you're in and how you want to deal with it, then I can see if I can actually implement mirroring in yum where it will be helpful to you/others. Just in general, right now, yum, excluding package groups, does what I wanted it to do - I'm fairly pleased with how some of it has turned out and I'd like to thank all of y'all on this list for your help/suggestions/patches/code etc -sv --=-xlT7ZMskAfHwrIQrF3LT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9bFAR1Aj3x2mIbMcRAuPFAKCfIrBTKOMw9Bd6UgwRQP3Dp8J8AgCePvuW EqnTgtQ9I7x4KkwSDokbIDw= =KtrM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-xlT7ZMskAfHwrIQrF3LT--
