On 03/25/2012 08:11 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: > >> I don't think -nodefconfig (as defined) is usable, since there is no way >> for the user to tell what it means short of reading those files. > > *if the user doesn't know specifics about this QEMU version. > > You make the assumption that all users are going to throw arbitrary > options at arbitrary QEMU versions. That's certainly an important > use-case but it's not the only one. If a Fedora user is using qemu, then their qemu version will change every six months. Their options are to update their scripts/management tool in step, or not have their management tool use -nodefconfig. The same holds for anyone using qemu from upstream, since that's approximately the qemu release cycle. > >> -no-user-config is usable, I think it needs also to mean that qemu >> without -M/-cpu/-m options will error out? > > You're confusing -nodefaults (or something stronger than -nodefaults) > with -no-user-config. > Right. > Yes, the distinctions are confusing. It's not all fixable tomorrow. > If we take my config refactoring series, we can get 90% of the way > there soon but Paolo has a more thorough refactoring.. > >>>> "#define westmere blah" is not configuration, otherwise the meaning of >>>> configuration will drift over time. >>>> >>>> -cpu blah is, of course. >>> >>> It's the same mechanism, but the above would create two classes of >>> default configuration files and then it becomes a question of how >>> they're used. >> >> Confused. > > We don't have a formal concept of -read-definition-config and > -read-configuration-config > > There's no easy or obvious way to create such a concept either nor do > I think the distinction is meaningful to users. Definition files should be invisible to users. They're part of the implementation. If we have a file that says pc-1.1 = piix + cirrus + memory(128) + ... then it's nobody's business if it's in a text file or a .c file. Of course it's nice to allow users to load their own definition files, but that's strictly a convenience. >> Exactly. The types are no different, so there's no reason to >> discriminate against types that happen to live in qemu-provided data >> files vs. qemu code. They aren't instantiated, so we lose nothing by >> creating the factories (just so long as the factories aren't >> mass-producing objects). > > > At some point, I'd like to have type modules that are shared objects. > I'd like QEMU to start with almost no builtin types and allow the user > to configure which modules get loaded. > > In the long term, I'd like QEMU to be a small, robust core with the > vast majority of code relegated to modules with the user ultimately in > control of module loading. > > Yes, I'd want some module autoloading system but there should always > be a way to launch QEMU without loading any modules and then load a > very specific set of modules (as defined by the user). > > You can imagine this being useful for something like Common Criteria > certifications. Okay. > It's obviously defined for a given release, just not defined long term. > >> If I see something like -nodefconfig, I assume it will create a bare >> bones guest that will not depend on any qemu defaults and will be stable >> across releases. > > That's not even close to what -nodefconfig is. That's pretty much > what -nodefaults is but -nodefaults has also had a fluid definition > historically. Okay. Let's just make sure to document -nodefconfig as version specific and -nodefaults as the stable way to create a bare bones guest (and define exactly what that means). -- error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list