On 12/05/2012 04:23 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012-12-05 11:39 (GMT-0500) Ryan composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/
1-JS required. Why? Documentation is boring text, more necessary than
wanted. A static Table of Contents is offered as substitute for JS
behavior, but has no clickable links to any actual documentation.
Obviously JS can enhance, but to serve up no useful information
without it?
2-Boldly states "welcome", yet creates unwelcome feeling via
preponderance of
mousetype[1], as demonstrated by:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=657934
It makes me unhappy and want hit the back button, not welcome, and not
wanting to face the dig for the instruction I need. I'm hardly alone
on this
issue.[2]
http://boot.fedoraproject.org/faq
Personality altered from docs via use of gray text of similar size to
further
reduce legibility.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=657935
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ
The difference here is the even less legible list of tiny pale blue
links
overwhelming the viewport, even smaller text in the main subject area
than
the navigation wrap.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=657936
Is there a compelling reason Fedora can't be a leader in web site
friendliness as well as distro compilation? Am I the only one involved
in the project who thinks following the lead of most of the rest of
the web is rude[3]?
[1] http://hermeticpress.blogspot.com/2009/04/mouse-type.html
[2] http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html
[3] http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/rudeweb.html
So to sum it up, the default font sizes of some of the fedora websites
is too small, and some are too lightly coloured?
That's an easy conclusion to draw, and accurate, but it misses the
point, which is the philosophy of the styling rather than particular
styling details.
Would it also be possible to get the bugs that those attached
screenshots are from?
All the same place (filed 2 years ago):
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638726
The newer Bugzilla software used by Mozilla.org includes the bug
number as an element of the URL of the attachment once the attachment
is actually opened. If the current version of the Bugzilla software
used by Redhat wasn't misconfigured to prevent opening image
attachments in the browser used to open the bug, the attachment URL
could be appended with &action=edit, resulting in seeing the
applicable bug number.
Additionally, those screenshots are quite busy,
It's busy purposely, to provide context necessary to evaluate the
reason for the problem as much as the problem itself. People often use
the term "too big" or "too small" without providing any way to sense
why such language was used. The view is of a whole desktop, including
familiar reference objects, with the specimen to be evaluated at its
center.
and i find it very hard to parse the information on them. Is what you
are running there basically a tool that assesses the font sizes of
websites?
It's only a tool in the sense that I use a template to load a specimen
URL into a frame in order to provide sizing context. The URLs in the
images can be loaded in any evaluator's browser to compare in a
personal desktop context.
Finally, the best way to help out with making the fedora websites
better is to help out the websites team! The follwoing link gives you
all the details on how to join and help out!
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites
I explained why in comment 13 in the bug hosting the screenshots that
that hasn't and likely won't happen in the sense I get from your
suggestion.
What do you mean exactly by " the philosophy of the styling" ? If you
are implying that the current design was specifically created and
implemented to be "rude", this is not the case. Sure, the font sizes and
colours may need to be tweaked to improve legibility and readability,
but there is *not* a premeditated philosophy that was injected into the
current designs exist just to annoy or alienate a subset of users.
In the updated version of the "Top 10 Mistakes in Web Design" by Jakub
Neilen [1], (not the nearly 8 year old 2005 version referenced earlier),
his main recommendation for font size is to allow the user to resize the
text. To the best of my knowledge, all fedora websites work well when
zooming text (Control + "+" in most web browsers).
Personally, while I do not consider most of the web as "rude", there are
web services that I use that are not to my personal preferences. In
these cases, I use the tools available in modern web browsers (such as
"Stylish" for user-defined stylesheets) to change them to my liking.
The reason why Fedora and the Free and Open Source world is different is
that you can help out and improve the websites of our community
yourself. As you said, it is not a trivial task, as there are many
different fedora tools with many different themes, but every little bit
counts!
Maybe -- with your contributions -- we could make our little bit of the
web a little less "rude" in your eyes.
regards,
ryanlerch
[1] - http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html
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