20:00 < hiemanshu> #startmeeting Fedora Websites 20:00 < zodbot> Meeting started Fri Dec 18 20:00:24 2009 UTC. The chair is hiemanshu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 20:00 < hiemanshu> #topic Who's here 20:00 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Who's here (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 20:00 * sijis is partially here 20:00 < hiemanshu> ricky: ping 20:00 < hiemanshu> tatica, mchua: ping 20:00 * ricky is here 20:01 < tatica> hiemanshu, pong 20:02 < hiemanshu> So Lets move on 20:02 < hiemanshu> #topic get.fp.o 20:02 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: get.fp.o (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 20:02 * mchua here 20:02 < hiemanshu> sijis: around? 20:02 < sijis> somewhat... 20:03 < sijis> want me to talk about get.fp.o? 20:03 < hiemanshu> yup 20:03 * tatica : maria leandro :D 20:03 * digvijay here but for first time hence looking around 20:03 < ricky> Welcome 20:03 * mchua not usually around, but here for Fedora Insight questions 20:03 < hiemanshu> digvijay: Welcome 20:03 < sijis> so, i have to get started with get.fp.o project. 20:03 < digvijay> hiemanshu, ricky : thanks 20:04 < sijis> the idea it to be done with it before the next release. 20:04 < hiemanshu> sijis: Aim for F13-Alpha? 20:04 -!- RodrigoPadula [n=rodrigop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Ex-Chat" 20:04 < sijis> currently on the repo, there is a specific branch for the work going on. you will see me start making changes to that in the next couple of days. 20:05 < sijis> hiemanshu: i don't know when the date for that is.. however, that would be a good time to do it. ideally, it should be before 20:05 < sijis> as initially it was proposed to do it by f12 release. 20:05 < hiemanshu> sijis: I think it about 20 weeks or so 20:05 < sijis> i would say.. lets target that.. but the sooner the better would work as well. 20:06 < hiemanshu> sijis: I ll update the trac with F13 Alpha as target 20:06 < hiemanshu> sijis: Anything else? 20:06 < sijis> nope. that's it on that. 20:06 < hiemanshu> #topic start.fp.o 20:06 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: start.fp.o (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 20:06 < hiemanshu> sijis: you are up again 20:07 < sijis> so, there was a ticket requested a while back to make start.fp.o translatable. 20:07 < sijis> i currently have all the changes done on my repo locally 20:08 < sijis> ricky said he'll work with me to get that done on the infra side too when he's done with school. 20:08 < sijis> (which is in a week or so) 20:08 < ricky> It started yesterday, actually :_) 20:08 < ricky> **:-) 20:08 < sijis> i know there's a bunch of infra stuff going on.. so it may be a tad longer. 20:09 * giarc_ shows up late... 20:09 < sijis> however, i expect it to be done relatively short (next week or so).. 20:09 < sijis> this is more of an FYI.. as its currently just a static html page 20:10 < sijis> any questions/concerns on this? 20:10 * hiemanshu has nothing 20:11 < hiemanshu> Lets move ahead 20:11 < hiemanshu> #topic spins.fp.o 20:11 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: spins.fp.o (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 20:11 * mchua requests ping when Fedora Insight comes up, needs to finish a blog post 20:11 < hiemanshu> So spins was done intime for F12 release 20:11 < hiemanshu> mchua: sure 20:11 < mchua> thanks. 20:11 < hiemanshu> and sijis and mizmo did a really good job with it 20:11 < ricky> Biiig thanks to sijis :-) 20:11 < ricky> (And mizmo) 20:12 < hiemanshu> But we still have a few tickets for it pending 20:13 < sijis> thanks all. 20:13 < sijis> i'm slowly going through those tickets. 20:13 < hiemanshu> .webticket 6 20:13 < zodbot> #6 (implement sub-nav feature) - fedora-websites - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/6 20:13 < hiemanshu> .webticket 7 20:13 < zodbot> #7 (spins.fp.o needs to document language support) - fedora-websites - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/7 20:14 < hiemanshu> .webticket 3 20:14 < zodbot> timed out - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/3 20:14 < hiemanshu> These are the 3 tickets that are currently pending 20:14 < hiemanshu> and have to be worked on 20:14 < sijis> the big one is the #6 ticket 20:15 < hiemanshu> sijis, ricky: ANything you want to add? 20:15 < sijis> nope 20:15 < ricky> Nope 20:16 < hiemanshu> #topic blogs.fp.o 20:16 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: blogs.fp.o (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 20:16 < hiemanshu> nb_: ping 20:16 < hiemanshu> I am not too sure if nb is around 20:16 < hiemanshu> but we still need to get documentation of the blogs, and I think the redirection issue is still unfixed 20:16 -!- mbroyles [n=mbroyles@nat/redhat/x-pjbswkvqruzdepms] has quit "Leaving." 20:17 < hiemanshu> ricky: do you think pinging the docs team could help? 20:17 < ricky> Is there a specific description of what documentation is needed? 20:17 < sijis> i think it was just 'how to setup a blog' 20:17 < hiemanshu> its on the list, its mainly how to setup a log 20:17 < hiemanshu> blog** 20:18 * hiemanshu will pester nb to send an update to the list 20:18 < sijis> we should know specifically under what circumstances that redirect breaks 20:19 < hiemanshu> sijis: its looks more after logging in 20:19 < hiemanshu> It seems to be an SSL issue 20:20 < sijis> ok. 20:20 * hiemanshu moves ahead 20:20 < hiemanshu> #topic Fedora Insight 20:20 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Insight (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 20:20 < hiemanshu> mchua: ping 20:21 * hiemanshu wonders where mchua is 20:22 * hiemanshu moves on and will be back later 20:22 < hiemanshu> #topic User Gallery 20:22 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: User Gallery (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 20:23 < hiemanshu> so mizmo had a plan with the user gallery, and nothing really has been implemented 20:23 -!- Cheshirc [n=donno@unaffiliated/cheshirc] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 20:23 < hiemanshu> we need to work on mockups and a few ideas 20:23 < hiemanshu> But Well right I am thinking of more like a Photo Gallery 20:23 < hiemanshu> right now** 20:23 -!- Cheshirc [n=e@unaffiliated/cheshirc] has joined #fedora-websites 20:24 < hiemanshu> Where people who have been to different events, etc can upload their pics 20:24 < hiemanshu> sijis, ricky, tatica : Comments ? 20:24 < tatica> ok, give me just a second, I'm slow with english 20:24 * mchua looks up 20:25 < tatica> I have 3 links for this 20:25 < hiemanshu> mchua: wait for your turn 20:25 * mchua is here once this is done, yep 20:25 < ricky> You might get a little resistance from infrastructure on a photo gallery type thing unless there's a very good reason that none of our existing hosting services are sufficient 20:25 < hiemanshu> ricky: privacy 20:25 < tatica> 1.- http://tatica.org/meet-fedora/ 20:26 < tatica> 2.- http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora-latam/ 20:26 < tatica> 3.- http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora_people/ 20:26 < ricky> What about privacy? 20:26 < ricky> I don't think we really want to serve any private content 20:26 < tatica> I took this photos, I can get full release on cc-by-sa of the people in those photos 20:27 < tatica> I can get permissions to jan 2nd week for all photos in there 20:27 < tatica> we could do something like link 1 but instead show people, we could use a group photo for the event-link 20:28 < hiemanshu> tatica: that more like what I was planning 20:28 < tatica> hiemanshu, jeje well, you got more support now 20:28 < hiemanshu> ricky: Chitlesh too needed a gallery 20:29 < hiemanshu> ricky: we can have it fedorapeople.org accounts 20:29 < hiemanshu> but a place with one album 20:29 < tatica> if we use photos to a website 20:29 < hiemanshu> and where anyone can upload 20:29 < ricky> Yeah, and infrastructure gave a little resistance for that too 20:29 < tatica> with a simple cc-by-sa / cc-*** / gpl works 20:30 < hiemanshu> I ll hit the list with an email soon 20:31 < hiemanshu> and see what others think as well 20:31 < hiemanshu> Lets move for now 20:31 < hiemanshu> #topic Fedora Insight 20:31 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Fedora Insight (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 20:31 < hiemanshu> mchua: ping 20:31 < mchua> coolness. 20:31 < mchua> Well, there were two things I had. 20:31 < tatica> hiemanshu, you can use my links to support your idea 20:31 < hiemanshu> tatica: sure 20:31 < mchua> The first is that we need CSS help, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight#Design, but it looks like we've got that now (thanks tatica and hiemanshu!) so we're set, and I'm learning that we need to ask both Websites and Design for help with CSS stuff. :) 20:32 < mchua> So that leaves just one other question from me - I'm not sure what the arrangement is in terms of who's responsible for websites that start out as another team's project. 20:32 < mchua> And I'd like to get a notion on which team 'owns' Fedora Insight once it's launched (I'm happy to hand it off if Websites wants it, I'm happy to split infrastructure/content between Websites/Marketing, happy to keep it all in Marketing... just want to know where we should be aiming ;) 20:33 < mchua> So - is there any precedent? what would you like to do with this? 20:33 < hiemanshu> mchua: Lets keep the websites stuff (backend) stuff to -websites and the content to -mktg? 20:35 < mchua> hiemanshu: That's what I was thinking. 20:35 < mchua> It's going to be kinda fuzzy for a while until we get it up, I think. 20:35 < hiemanshu> mchua: from what I see know, I havent really seen anyone from -websites for FI 20:36 < hiemanshu> s/know/now 20:36 < mchua> But once we launch, and start thinking about "well, we could add these new features from the back-end side," I'd like to do that within Websites instead of within... well... the 5 or 6 different places we have that conversation going now. 20:36 < hiemanshu> mchua: so we might have to push them in telling "Hey, its a part of websites, see if you can help" 20:36 < sijis> is there a repo/location where the files are located? 20:36 < mchua> Yeah, we don't really have a websites <--> Fedora Insight ambassador. 20:36 < mchua> sijis: It's on publictest6 right now. 20:37 < mchua> sijis: That's probably the first thing we'd need help with - getting it into websites's "look, you can check out files and help" infrastructure 20:38 < mchua> right now it's still unstable enough (we're just trying to get everything packaged right now) that this may not yet make sense for most of it 20:38 < mchua> but for instance, the css for the theme really *should* be in a repo 20:38 < giarc_> mchua, u can use people space for that... 20:38 < mchua> mizmo: I think we tried to do that earlier but couldn't figure out how to easily check in/out from within pt6 20:39 < hiemanshu> mchua: scp workds 20:39 < hiemanshu> works** 20:39 < sijis> giarc_: that's a good idea 20:39 < giarc_> mchua, which 5-6 places are having conversations about insight? 20:39 < sijis> the other idea we can ask to create a seperate repo for FI 20:40 < hiemanshu> sijis: why not just the infra repo 20:40 < hiemanshu> use** 20:40 < mchua> giarc_: I know - we actually have a fedorahosted repo that's empty because mizmo had to edit in pt6 to be able to see changes, but we lacked the vcs-fu to figure out how to push from pt6 to the repo 20:40 < mchua> I think it had something to do with folder permissions 20:40 < mchua> which may actually be easy to sort out 20:41 < giarc_> ah 20:41 * hiemanshu would be happy to take a look at the ealier tomorrow 20:41 < mchua> but iirc it was something like "well, I'm not putting my ssh key into a box that everyone has sudo on" 20:41 < hiemanshu> mchua: I could well scp it to my machine from within pt6 20:41 < hiemanshu> and then push it to a repo 20:41 < mchua> and you can't do anonymous push into our repos, so. 20:41 -!- daMaestro [n=jon@fedora/damaestro] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 20:42 < mchua> hiemanshu: oh, that would work 20:42 < mchua> hiemanshu: I think if you can figure out that workflow when you and tatica work on CSS that would be *awesome* 20:42 < mchua> we just didn't know how to do it properly 20:42 < hiemanshu> mchua: I can do that 20:42 < giarc_> i think there is a way to use acls on people spaces to control who can push. but at any rate, getting it into a repo seems important 20:42 -!- daMaestro [n=jon@fedora/damaestro] has joined #fedora-websites 20:42 < mchua> but then everyone working on design stuff could then use that workflow, and things would be all happy and version-controlled, and such. 20:42 < sijis> if this is permanent.. it should just have a seperate repo 20:42 < tatica> o/ 20:42 < hiemanshu> mchua: I could even make an account on my machine, so you can scp directly from pt6 to my machine 20:42 < mchua> giarc_: Yeah, I agree. It's been something that's bugged me for a long time. 20:43 * mchua looks for name of current repo 20:43 < mchua> .fasinfo mchua 20:43 < zodbot> mchua: User: mchua, Name: Mel Chua, email: mel@xxxxxxxxxx, Creation: 2008-09-26, IRC Nick: mchua, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5115368, GPG key ID: , Status: active 20:43 < zodbot> mchua: Approved Groups: cla_done web fedorabugs packager ambassadors marketing cla_fedora sysadmin-test designteam gitfedora-zikula giteducation svnfedora-zikula-theme 20:43 < zodbot> mchua: Unapproved Groups: None 20:43 < mchua> There we go. It's FAS group gitfedora-zikula. 20:43 < mchua> whoops. 20:43 < mchua> svnfedora-zikula-theme, I mean. 20:44 < mchua> mizmo, myself, and itbegins have sponsorship, we'd be happy to add people. 20:44 < mchua> And, uh, migrating to git is *totally* cool. 20:44 < mchua> And a better repo name is also totally cool. 20:44 < hiemanshu> mchua: Um, i hate svn 20:44 < mchua> Y'all are the experts in how to set this sort of thing up. 20:45 < mchua> hiemanshu: then make a git repo. :) it's svn right now because Mo pointed out that SVN was much more designers-who-may-not-use-the-command-line-yet friendly. 20:45 < mchua> And we needed to get CSS up *now* (back then). 20:45 < hiemanshu> mchua: so um, make a git group and add 20:46 < hiemanshu> me** 20:46 < giarc_> mchua, is this the list of things that need work? 20:46 < giarc_> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&keywords=~insight&order=priority 20:47 < mchua> giarc_: from the CSS/design/websites side, yes. 20:47 < hiemanshu> giarc_: yup 20:47 -!- r0000t [n=floyd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-websites 20:47 < mchua> giarc_: there's plenty more that needs work for Fedora Insight overall, but the rest is stuff like packaging, content workflow, etc. 20:47 < r0000t> afternoon all 20:47 < r0000t> is there any interest in brining in additional members to the website team? 20:48 < hiemanshu> r0000t: very much 20:48 < ricky> Yes, always :-) 20:48 < mchua> hiemanshu: I'll put in a request for that git repo right after this topic closes. 20:48 < hiemanshu> mchua: great 20:48 < hiemanshu> mchua: I could teach all the designers-who-may-not-use-the-command-line-yet how to use git :) 20:48 < r0000t> I do freelance web design on the side, from my 9-5 job 20:49 < r0000t> would be interested in helping out if there's any area's to work on 20:49 < hiemanshu> r0000t: sure, we have a few things on the list, and just going through a meeting, how about you send your intro to the list 20:50 < hiemanshu> mchua: Is there anything else from you? 20:50 < giarc_> mchua, sorry to be dense, but how do we get at that code base? 20:50 < mchua> nope, I'm good. 20:51 < ricky> r0000t: I think there's a ton of CSS work to be done if you're good with that. 20:51 < mchua> giarc_: You need sysadmin-test membership - it's on publictest6. 20:51 < giarc_> ah 20:51 < mchua> giarc_: It's basically a bunch of packages installed (I'll pull up the list) 20:51 < hiemanshu> giarc_: whats your fas? 20:51 < giarc_> .fas craigt 20:51 < zodbot> giarc_: craigt 'Craig Thomas' <bicycle.nutz@xxxxxxxxx> 20:51 < mchua> with some CSS for the theme that isn't versioned. 20:51 < hiemanshu> .fasinfo craigt 20:51 < zodbot> hiemanshu: User: craigt, Name: Craig Thomas, email: bicycle.nutz@xxxxxxxxx, Creation: 2007-02-22, IRC Nick: giarc, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5101292, GPG key ID: A7CC7A51, Status: active 20:51 < zodbot> hiemanshu: Approved Groups: cla_done web cla_fedora 20:52 < zodbot> hiemanshu: Unapproved Groups: None 20:52 < mchua> giarc_: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox has the setup instructions, that would give you a local copy of everything except the theme. 20:52 < hiemanshu> giarc_: if you can find something to work on, I think ricky can sponsor you to sysadmin-test 20:52 < hiemanshu> .sponsors sysadmin-test 20:52 < zodbot> hiemanshu: Sponsors for sysadmin-test: jkeating lmacken mdomsch @mmcgrath ricky @skvidal toshio 20:52 < hiemanshu> .sponsors web 20:52 < zodbot> hiemanshu: Sponsors for web: duffy ivazquez mchua @nman64 @quaid ricky sijis @skvidal 20:53 < hiemanshu> sijis: you can sponsor too, nice :) 20:53 < mchua> r0000t: we were just talking about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight, btw, for context. 20:53 < giarc_> ok, i'll see whats a good fit and can send patches 20:54 < sijis> :) 20:54 < mchua> r0000t: if you see something interesting, the way to do it is just raise your hand and say "hey, I would like to help with that." 20:54 * sijis suggests updating the Websites wiki page 20:54 < mchua> then pretty much start doing it. 20:55 -!- Cheshirc [n=e@unaffiliated/cheshirc] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 20:55 < hiemanshu> mchua: put up FI on Websites Projects section 20:55 < hiemanshu> wiki i.e. 20:56 < hiemanshu> If there is nothing else, I ll change topic in 30 20:56 < mchua> hiemanshu: sounds like r0000t wants to help you and tatica with the FI CSS 20:56 < mchua> so you might want to touch base on that later 20:56 < tatica> o/ 20:56 -!- Cheshirc [n=p@unaffiliated/cheshirc] has joined #fedora-websites 20:56 < mchua> hiemanshu: yeah, I'll go edit the wiki and get you that git repo now 20:56 < mchua> thanks! 20:56 < hiemanshu> mchua: so that makes us 4 20:57 * mchua has nothing further on FI 20:57 < hiemanshu> the Fantastic 4 :) 20:57 * hiemanshu hi-fies tatica and r0000t 20:57 < hiemanshu> #topic Wiki Search Engine 20:57 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Wiki Search Engine (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 20:57 < hiemanshu> This has been one big problem for quite a while now 20:57 < hiemanshu> the search engine in wiki has not been very effective 20:58 < hiemanshu> ricky: ^^ 20:58 < tatica> hiemanshu, I'm under your orders o/ 20:58 < r0000t> I apologize, a lot going on to try and jump in the middle and figure things out 20:58 < hiemanshu> r0000t: I ll help you out after the meeting, if you need help 20:58 < sijis> r0000t: a meeting summary link is provided at the end of the meeting 20:59 < hiemanshu> looks like ricky is out 20:59 < hiemanshu> #Open Floor 20:59 * ricky is still around and listening 21:00 < sijis> there are 2 folks in infra working on the site-wide search feature. 21:00 < ricky> I know two people in infra are looking at search engine stuff, I don't remember who though. 21:00 < hiemanshu> ricky: Do you think we need to ping infra on the websites stuff? 21:00 < hiemanshu> s/websites/wiki 21:00 < ricky> I think they're on it already :-) 21:00 < hiemanshu> I see 21:00 < sijis> yeah, they have a wiki page on ti 21:00 < hiemanshu> I have quite a bit of whining in -social 21:00 < hiemanshu> seen** 21:01 < r0000t> I'll wait until the meeting is over and attempt to catch up 21:02 < r0000t> is getfedora on the redesign list? 21:02 < hiemanshu> r0000t: yes 21:02 < r0000t> I would certainly be up for some mockups 21:02 < sijis> .ticket 1055 21:02 < hiemanshu> r0000t: they are on the wiki 21:02 < zodbot> sijis: #1055 (Fedora Search Engine) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1055 21:02 < sijis> i thought it was a wiki, but its a ticket ^^ 21:03 < sijis> whoops, the wiki is actually here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Search 21:04 * sijis has no more comments 21:04 < hiemanshu> If nothing comes up in a few, I ll close the meeting 21:04 < hiemanshu> mchua, tatica, ricky : Anything? 21:05 < ricky> Thanks for holding it :-) 21:05 < hiemanshu> np 21:05 < hiemanshu> Yeah since people are here, I think we should have a bi-monthly meeting atleast 21:06 < sijis> weekly. even if its only 5 minutes 21:06 < hiemanshu> Weekly is perfectly fine with me 21:07 < hiemanshu> Ok, So i ll close the meeting now 21:07 < hiemanshu> ..... 21:07 < hiemanshu> .... 21:07 < hiemanshu> ... 21:07 < hiemanshu> .. 21:07 < hiemanshu> . 21:07 < hiemanshu> #endmeeting 21:07 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Meeting in ~10 mins | The Fedora Websites team maintains the official Fedora Project websites (http://fedoraproject.org/) | Want to help us? 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