> Actually, Seth, I'd say that your examples conclusively demonstate > Elliot's point. Those pages are scarcely more useful than running a > search through the wiki. And since they're not on a sidebar, a user has > *no way* of figuring out where they are without visiting one of these > pages. and as I explained - these sidebars are just theme additions. So if you want to access that data we will need to get the theme changed. But I bet we don't even know what we want on those sidebars. I bet we end up with 40 or 50 different variations like those asinine little boxes slashdot used to have. > The surface content on Ubuntu's site is certainly well-maintained -- but > go a couple of layers deep, and it's the same kind of chaos we face, > Drupal or no Drupal. Out of curiosity what is it that is broken about our current infrastructure? And out of further curiosity - what was it that kept the fedora.redhat.com from having php running on it? -sv