Tim: > > Person comes along with my THIS won't do THAT. You spend some time > > diagnosing, then downloading a few months worth of updates that they > > never did (which is always a slow thing, no matter how fast your > > internet is). Reboot. More downloads... Reboot. It's often all that > > was needed doing. It's regularly 1-2 hours. Michael Hennebry: > Just out of curiosity, how often did you discover > that the THIS was not supposed to do THAT? With hardware, a lot. I know someone who continually buys things without any sanity checking. He thinks it looks like it might do what he wants, but finds out can't actually connect with the other things he wants it to. Occasionally it's just that he's not doing it right, but it's nearly always a "what made you think it could do THAT?" With software, I've just about always dealt with the "THIS did THAT for the last several months, now it doesn't" and there's often been some security update that fixed the other half of what they're working with. Occasionally it's been a new procedure, but it's nearly always just doing the software updates that they never do. I do understand the "don't update" mentality. More by luck than expertise they've gotten something to work, and they don't want to risk changing anything. But the decision gets taken away from them when they're interacting with other things over the net. Next biggest issue is logons. Which password for which service? No, don't use the same one everywhere. You've suffered the consequences of doing that before, why haven't you learnt? Choose something that you can actually type correct, but nobody else will guess. Don't give XYZ your Gmail password when it asks you to log-on with an email address and password. Argh..... -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.119.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 4 14:43:51 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue