Re: emacs is hopeless

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On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 13:26:38 -0600
Ranjan Maitra via users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Mon Nov13'23 11:41:28AM, George N. White III wrote:
> > From: "George N. White III" <gnwiii@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 11:41:28 -0400
> > To: Community support for Fedora users
> > <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: Community support for
> > Fedora users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: emacs is
> > hopeless
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 9:04 AM Ranjan Maitra via users <  
> > users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:  
> >  
> > > [...]
> > > I also tried emacs-nox and have the same problem. Removing my
> > > .emacs did not have any effect.
> > >  
> > I do not mess with my system files so I am a bit confused as to how
> > to  
> > > track this down. Is there a
> > >  
> > verbose mode which allows me to see what to do?  
> > >  
> >
> > Try running emacs as newly created user to rule out something in
> > your ~/.emacs.d or some
> > shell startup script creating variables that confuse emacs. Have
> > you tried "emacs -nw" for text mode
> > to rule out a GUI issue?
> >
> > It might help to have a simple example with a description of what
> > happens. If emacs is failing due to
> > some conflict with libraries you might see an error with
> > journalctl.  Make a note of the time the error
> > occurs to help identify related errors.
> >
> >  
> > >
> > > I have emacs-ess also installed (from Fedora 36) that has not
> > > been updated and is probably obsolete or retired.
> > >  
> >
> > Probably good to remove that old package.  You can reinstall from
> > upstream source if Fedora 39 doesn't have a
> > package.  
> 
> Indeed, the culprit appears to have been the emacs-ess package, which
> was creating issues even with it not being called.
> 
> Unfortunately, for me, emacs-ess was the main selling point of emacs,
> and with that rendering emacs unusable, it appears that I will have to
> move on to nvim which has a good R interface.
> 
> What really irritates me about vi and its friends is that it throws
> you out of editing (insert) mode in order to save the file, and needs
> another key to come back in.

I work around that by configuring hh and uu as <ESC>.  Since I
(almost) always finish input by pressing one of them, the command
mode is available, so I just hit
:w <ENTER>
to save.  I guess it is a matter of taste, a trade off.

> I don't know if it is possible to remap a key (say C-x-C-s) that would
> exit the "insert" mode, save the file, and then come back into the
> "insert" mode.

It is possible to record a macro, by assigning it to a key. e.g. for
key r
qr
[record what you want to do here, whatever does what you want above]
q

invoke the macro with @R or @r.

You can map keys to sequences of commands using the map command.
:map <F2> @r

Then whenever you want to invoke the file save, just hit F2.

I haven't tried the above, but it should work.
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