Re: emacs is hopeless

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On Mon Nov13'23 11:41:28AM, George N. White III wrote:
> From: "George N. White III" <gnwiii@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 11:41:28 -0400
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: emacs is hopeless
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 9:04 AM Ranjan Maitra via users <
> users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > I also tried emacs-nox and have the same problem. Removing my .emacs did
> > not have any effect.
> >
> I do not mess with my system files so I am a bit confused as to how to
> > track this down. Is there a
> >
> verbose mode which allows me to see what to do?
> >
>
> Try running emacs as newly created user to rule out something in your
> ~/.emacs.d or some
> shell startup script creating variables that confuse emacs. Have you tried
> "emacs -nw" for text mode
> to rule out a GUI issue?
>
> It might help to have a simple example with a description of what happens.
> If emacs is failing due to
> some conflict with libraries you might see an error with journalctl.  Make
> a note of the time the error
> occurs to help identify related errors.
>
>
> >
> > I have emacs-ess also installed (from Fedora 36) that has not been updated
> > and is probably obsolete or retired.
> >
>
> Probably good to remove that old package.  You can reinstall from upstream
> source if Fedora 39 doesn't have a
> package.

Indeed, the culprit appears to have been the emacs-ess package, which
was creating issues even with it not being called.

Unfortunately, for me, emacs-ess was the main selling point of emacs,
and with that rendering emacs unusable, it appears that I will have to
move on to nvim which has a good R interface.

What really irritates me about vi and its friends is that it throws you
out of editing (insert) mode in order to save the file, and needs
another key to come back in.

I don't know if it is possible to remap a key (say C-x-C-s) that would
exit the "insert" mode, save the file, and then come back into the
"insert" mode.

Anyway, this is an off-topic question. At least it appears that I found
the cause of my problems.

Many thanks,
Ranjan
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