> On 30 Nov 2022, at 14:19, Tim via users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, 2022-11-29 at 22:32 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> While we're on the topic: all the GNOME mailing lists are moving to >> Discourse (similar to HyperKitty but much *much* worse). The ostensible >> reasons for this included "better control of spam" and "Mailman depends >> on Python 2", the latter being clearly nonsense as the Fedora lists run >> on Mailman3 - which is why we have this HyperKitty crock in the first >> place. (Note that GNOME hosting is provided by Red Hat, so go figure.) > > My experience with using Discourse is as a phone app. It's reminiscent > of IRC (live chat via text, group voice chat, file sending). As I > recall, it has origins in the gaming fraternity, one of those group > VOIP things used alongside their networked games. The irc app is discord, not discourse, and yes its big in gamer circles. Barry > > Live stuff suits some people. I can see its value in allowing > diagnosing an issue in real time. But that's dependent on responders > being there at the same time. And there can be too much noise going > on. I dabbled with IRC decades ago, but left it and never returned. > Spending all night chatting with strangers about whatever was just > eating up my spare time. > > Email is good for people spread across multiple timezones, who can wait > for more than one response. Who'd like to post the "argh, I need help" > post as they give up on an issue and would like to tackle it tomorrow. > It's good for people who have some spare time to read through the days > posts, and respond where they can. It's far less demanding on you. I > can keep easily tabs on all the things going on in here (and easily > find old posts on something), I can't do that with discourse, or web > forums, that require clicking all over the place. Not to mention that > I have lots of other non-Fedora things I'm interested in. > > It can have an searchable archive, but any time I've googled for the > solution to an issue, it's never returned a Fedora mail archive result > for me. I usually get Ubuntu forum results, often useless > (inapplicable, or answers from the floundering clueless). Sometimes > Reddit (of about a similar quality to the Ubuntu forums). > > Does this archive exclude google? Even if it didn't, no matter what > medium you use, you can still get multiple people asking the same > question, because they (we) don't search first. Mind you, though, I > keep tabs on all the threads in here while I'm idle, so I've a fair > idea if someone else has brought up a subject I've got an interest in. > But it tends to be new issues that I see, I haven't noticed the > multiple people asking the same question issue that used to plague some > other mailing lists I was on many years ago. > > -- > > NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. > I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list. > > The following system info data is generated fresh for each post: > > uname -rsvp > Linux 5.19.15-201.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Oct 13 > 18:58:38 UTC 2022 x86_64 > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
