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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2022 16:26:57.0883 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: db37e3a0-9aa3-4f4d-1b93-08daba93907a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: MW2NAM10FT098.eop-nam10.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB9P189MB1858 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-EndToEndLatency: 00:00:03.4600317 X-MS-Exchange-Processed-By-BccFoldering: 15.20.5791.016 X-MS-Exchange-Inbox-Rules-Loop: yurelw@xxxxxxxxxxx X-OriginatorOrg: sct-15-20-4734-24-msonline-outlook-c54b5.templateTenant More than 24 hours ago I sent the message below to this list without an error message as a follow-up being sent to me: Looks good, and I'd guess the problem's solved. Thanks a lot to everyone who helped fixing it. :) Wolfgang On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 03:01:52PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 12:12:21PM +1030, Tim via users wrote: > On Thu, 2022-10-27 at 23:09 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > > 2: Does anyone understand what happened according to the message > > attached below from postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxx > > [ ... ] > You''ll notice that my messages don't come from my address, but the > list server has changed them to: > > Tim via users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > And I see the same for some other people. > > I think this is the list's approach to re-authoring certain addresses > to deal with dumb mail receivers. I don't have a problem with this, as > I don't want any private replies. And there are other approaches to > still enable private replies, such as I can see the list has CC'd me > (though I'm only getting one message, not two). I wouldn't have a problem with the list maintainers setting up a similiar procedure like in your case to deliver my emails to this list - if it solves the problem: great! So yes: this email is explicitly meant to be also read the Fedora list administrators. Wolfgang
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