You will find the crux here: > Generating server: PR3P189MB1017.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > > y.antoniowatson@xxxxxxxxx > Remote Server returned '550-5.7.26 The MAIL FROM domain [gmx.net] has an SPF record with a hard fail 550-5.7.26 policy (-all) That means, a participating server checks, if the domain in your mail address allows the domain of the server it receives the mail from, to handle mail from that domain. Fedora mailing list doesn’t check the SPF record, but the list membership of the sender. The fedora project.org domain (e.g. some_one@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) checks the SPF record. For a detailed analyses we would need the complete mail header. > Am 27.10.2022 um 23:09 schrieb Wolfgang Pfeiffer <roto@xxxxxxx>: > > TL;DR: > Emails I'm sending to this list take many hours until they reach this > list. Main problem 'tho is that shortly after sending them I'm getting > an error message from postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxx telling me about > unspecified errors regarding the mail transport. The message for this > is attached with this email. > > Details: > I actually wanted to send this email to an admin responsible for this > list, but there's no one to find. And I encourage everyone not > familiar with a mess like below to simply ignore this message: > I hope 'tho that someone from the Fedora list admins has a look at it. > > The problem seems to be on the side of the Fedora mail distribution > servers, that seem to be connected in one way or another with > outlook.com. > > The error message below, that was sent to me after sending an email to > this list (via relay=mail.gmx.net. [212.227.17.190] - the message > itself can be seen at the very end of the forwarded message below) is > a mess, so it's not clear at all who is resposible for the fact that > my emails to this list are > > 1: first delivered with no problems that I'd know of to the Fedora > list's servers (see the default Fedora list footers attached to my > email that I sent, at the very end of this message, which seem to > indicate just that) and after that successfull delivery to the > fedora servers are > > 2: managed by some outlook.com servers (please see messages below), > that complain that > "(protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning > lists.fedoraproject.org discourages use of 205.220.165.146 as > permitted sender)" > > 3: Additionally some y.antoniowatson@xxxxxxxxx is involved (see below). > Plus I checked my MTA (sendmail) logs: I have not sent this mail at > the very end to some y.antoniowatson@xxxxxxxxx, whoever this is ... > > The email below, at the very end of this forwarded mail, obviously, > after successfully being sent to the fedora list servers, was handled > by outlook.com and lists.fedoraproject.org - and in the end delivered > to this list. After many hours. > > So two questions to Fedora list admins (or anyone else who understands > the message attached) > > 1: Is my email address roto@xxxxxxx seen as a spammer address by the > Fedora list software? > > 2: Does anyone understand what happened according to the message > attached below from postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxx > > Thanks in anticipation > Wolfgang > > > > ----- Forwarded message from postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxx ----- > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:46:59 +0000 > From: postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse > To: roto@xxxxxxx > > Delivery has failed to these recipients or groups: > > y.antoniowatson@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:y.antoniowatson@xxxxxxxxx> > Your message wasn't delivered because the recipient's email provider rejected it. > > > > > > > > > Diagnostic information for administrators: > > Generating server: PR3P189MB1017.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > > y.antoniowatson@xxxxxxxxx > Remote Server returned '550-5.7.26 The MAIL FROM domain [gmx.net] has an SPF record with a hard fail 550-5.7.26 policy (-all) but it fails to pass SPF checks with the ip: 550-5.7.26 [104.47.13.56]. 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> X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2022 17:46:56.9389 > (UTC) > X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 36ef44af-0bcf-47d6-2f48-08dab77a13c2 > X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa > X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BN8NAM04FT038.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com > X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous > X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Internet > X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 > X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: GV1P189MB2148 > X-MS-Exchange-Transport-EndToEndLatency: 00:00:01.8242613 > X-MS-Exchange-Processed-By-BccFoldering: 15.20.5746.026 > X-MS-Exchange-Inbox-Rules-Loop: yurelw@xxxxxxxxxxx > X-OriginatorOrg: sct-15-20-4734-24-msonline-outlook-c54b5.templateTenant > > > Reporting-MTA: dns;PR3P189MB1017.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > Received-From-MTA: dns;AM7P189MB0759.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > Arrival-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:46:59 +0000 > > Final-Recipient: rfc822;y.antoniowatson@xxxxxxxxx > Action: failed > Status: 5.7.26 > Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550-5.7.26 The MAIL FROM domain [gmx.net] has an SPF record with a hard fail > 550-5.7.26 policy (-all) but it fails to pass SPF checks with the ip: > 550-5.7.26 [104.47.13.56]. To best protect our users from spam and phishing, > 550-5.7.26 the message has been blocked. Please visit > 550-5.7.26 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more > 550 5.7.26 information. r20-20020a05640251d400b0045d4b7ad162si6801981edd.546 - gsmtp > > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:46:03 +0200 > From: Wolfgang Pfeiffer <roto@xxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse > Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: Community support for Fedora users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > User-Agent: Mutt/2.1.5 (2021-12-30) > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> >> I've been observing, from the sidelines, the devolution of mailing >> lists, Usenet, and IRC into web-based discussion forums of various >> flavors; getting the bar lowered to the level of Twooter, Spacebook, >> and TokTik, and more of the same. It takes more mental effort and >> discipline to participate meaningfully in the former, but much less in >> the latter. It's a much lower barrier of entry; hence this latest >> episode with Gnome. >> > > Nailed it: Twooter, Spacebook, TokTik. > > Devolution - whatever you call it - in the West seems to be a fact in > many fields. Whereas intellectually and when it comes to patents > Asians are getting a lot better over the last years. 2021 more than > 50% of patent filings [*] came from Asia (China 25.1%, Japan 18.1%, > Republic of Korea 7.5%), USA 21.5% and Germany 6.2% - this is a total > reverse from the numbers of 1994: US were No.1, Germany #2, Japan #4, > Korea #18, China #21. > > But yes: Let's all be happy with a few butttons to press. > > "Press Green" > "Say yes" > "Now Go away" > > Wolfgang > > [*] https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pctndocs/en/2022/pct_news_2022_02.pdf > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
