TL;DR:
Emails I'm sending to this list take many hours until they reach this
list. Main problem 'tho is that shortly after sending them I'm getting
an error message from postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxx telling me about
unspecified errors regarding the mail transport. The message for this
is attached with this email.
Details:
I actually wanted to send this email to an admin responsible for this
list, but there's no one to find. And I encourage everyone not
familiar with a mess like below to simply ignore this message:
I hope 'tho that someone from the Fedora list admins has a look at it.
The problem seems to be on the side of the Fedora mail distribution
servers, that seem to be connected in one way or another with
outlook.com.
The error message below, that was sent to me after sending an email to
this list (via relay=mail.gmx.net. [212.227.17.190] - the message
itself can be seen at the very end of the forwarded message below) is
a mess, so it's not clear at all who is resposible for the fact that
my emails to this list are
1: first delivered with no problems that I'd know of to the Fedora
list's servers (see the default Fedora list footers attached to my
email that I sent, at the very end of this message, which seem to
indicate just that) and after that successfull delivery to the
fedora servers are
2: managed by some outlook.com servers (please see messages below),
that complain that
"(protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning
lists.fedoraproject.org discourages use of 205.220.165.146 as
permitted sender)"
3: Additionally some y.antoniowatson@xxxxxxxxx is involved (see below).
Plus I checked my MTA (sendmail) logs: I have not sent this mail at
the very end to some y.antoniowatson@xxxxxxxxx, whoever this is ...
The email below, at the very end of this forwarded mail, obviously,
after successfully being sent to the fedora list servers, was handled
by outlook.com and lists.fedoraproject.org - and in the end delivered
to this list. After many hours.
So two questions to Fedora list admins (or anyone else who understands
the message attached)
1: Is my email address roto@xxxxxxx seen as a spammer address by the
Fedora list software?
2: Does anyone understand what happened according to the message
attached below from postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks in anticipation
Wolfgang
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Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:46:59 +0000
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Subject: Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
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Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:46:03 +0200
From: Wolfgang Pfeiffer <roto@xxxxxxx>
To: Community support for Fedora users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
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Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:46:03 +0200
From: Wolfgang Pfeiffer <roto@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Community support for Fedora users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
I've been observing, from the sidelines, the devolution of mailing
lists, Usenet, and IRC into web-based discussion forums of various
flavors; getting the bar lowered to the level of Twooter, Spacebook,
and TokTik, and more of the same. It takes more mental effort and
discipline to participate meaningfully in the former, but much less in
the latter. It's a much lower barrier of entry; hence this latest
episode with Gnome.
Nailed it: Twooter, Spacebook, TokTik.
Devolution - whatever you call it - in the West seems to be a fact in
many fields. Whereas intellectually and when it comes to patents
Asians are getting a lot better over the last years. 2021 more than
50% of patent filings [*] came from Asia (China 25.1%, Japan 18.1%,
Republic of Korea 7.5%), USA 21.5% and Germany 6.2% - this is a total
reverse from the numbers of 1994: US were No.1, Germany #2, Japan #4,
Korea #18, China #21.
But yes: Let's all be happy with a few butttons to press.
"Press Green" > "Say yes" > "Now Go away"
Wolfgang
[*] https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pctndocs/en/2022/pct_news_2022_02.pdf
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