Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

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Patrick O'Callaghan writes:

It appears that the gnome.org is hosted by RedHat, which is a member of
the Gnome Foundation. That being the case, I would like to know if
there is any danger (I use the word advisedly) of this list and others
in the Fedora ecosphere suffering the same fate.

Maybe not right now, but it's only a matter of time. All these mailing lists are on borrowed time.

I understand that the explanation for the migration away from mailing lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes up too much resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; running a mail server, and some mailing lists, is not rocket science and doesn't take much. I run my own mail server. I can afford it. My various E-mail addresses are everywhere, and I did need to beef up my defenses and blacklist a bunch of sources, but once I got past that, it's mostly maintenance free. And mailing list servers are also, basically, set it and forget it. They run themselves. They're just dumb robots. So, Gnome's stated reasons ring a somewhat hollow to me. In this day and age, a VM dedicated to a mail server and a mailing list server should not be a herculean task. I think they just don't want to run mailing lists because, to put it simplistically, the cool kids are all on the interwebs, rather than old-fashioned mailing lists.

I've been observing, from the sidelines, the devolution of mailing lists, Usenet, and IRC into web-based discussion forums of various flavors; getting the bar lowered to the level of Twooter, Spacebook, and TokTik, and more of the same. It takes more mental effort and discipline to participate meaningfully in the former, but much less in the latter. It's a much lower barrier of entry; hence this latest episode with Gnome.

If you haven't seen it yet: I heartily recommend an old movie called "Idiocracy". After doing so you'll gain a different perspective on the Gnome mailing lists' shutdown and agree with my predictions for the eventual fate of this mailing list, too. I predict that Ubuntu's mailing lists will go first, though. ubuntu-users is an even bigger ghost-town than this one.

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