On Tue, 2022-07-26 at 14:39 +0000, Chris Murphy wrote: > Do you think a graphical rescue environment would be helpful in > troubleshooting system problems? For some situations/people, yes. I think you need a bare-bones command line to get back control of a borked system. But an additional graphical option could be useful for those who need to point and click a few bad settings back into normality. > Do you think a graphical rescue environment using volatile storage, > would be useful? There's merits in being able to test things knowing that nothing you do will make permanent changes, so you can go through your options to fix something one after another until you find the right one, without making things worse in the meantime. There's also times when you need to boot into a simplified system and make changes that will stick. But if everything is non-volatile in your rescue environment, how would you actually make any change that fixes a borked system? > Do you think a mechanism for system snapshots and rollbacks would be > useful in troubleshooting system problems? They never did any good on other OSs (for me, at least). The undo you needed to do was always in the middle of a set of changes. There are so many interconnected things on modern OSs that it's very difficult to remove a slab of things and not create a new problem. System's borked, we'll roll back to how it was three days ago and still working. But what about all the work I've done since then? Sorry, that's all going to get trashed. You can do it again. No, I can't. I'm not just talking about user data, documents you've written, etc. A person's work can be things that they were doing with the system. When I look at backup management software, I give up in dispair. It works in that "go back several days" mentality. It's hard to get back the one thing you need. Most system borks seem to be that you made a goof (or it did) about three steps back, the fix is to work on that goof, and not undo all the other things you did after it that were perfectly fine. It's exactly the same issue with wanting to undo one thing in the middle of a word processor doc, or artwork in a graphic program. The undos/redos are all time-sequential, and not confineable to a specific area of the data. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.71.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 28 15:37:28 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
